All this Chun love <3
Would anyone be able to give a good translation of this? I think there is an argument to make that Sean has always had an older sister since SF3.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaKifaXUcAEK9H4.jpg
@“The Lone Dragon”
“可 たく 可能性 が ない と は 言え ませ–彼 の 家族構成 と 名前 を 教えてください。日系 の 祖父 、 松田金治郎 を 長 に 、 理容店経営 の 父 、 松田雄一郎. 母, ブレンダ と ショーン の 7 歳上 の 兄 と 6 歳上 の 姉 の 6 人家族試合前 、 相手 に 向かっ て ? ー ル を 投げ ます が , あれ は 彼 の 挑発行 ゐ な の です か ? r ガキ だ と 思っ て なめ られ ない よう に 、 一応挑発 し て いる つもり らしい です 」 私生活 を 教え て ください ?”
It talks about the Matsuda family, I think it mentions someone owing a barbershop???
Which would explain their awesome hair styles
I doubt anyone actually won the World Warrior tournament. The fight with Bison took place after the tournament, which tells me the whole thing most likely ended abruptly with no clear winner. The only tournaments that had a clear winner were the ones that took place during SF1 and SF3. The others are anyone’s guess.
who won SF3?? we don´t know that yet…
Alex, I believe? I’m a little rusty in my knowledge of SF lore and continuity, though.
Hipherien is right. It was Alex that won Gill’s tournament.
The more that I think about it, the more I don’t think SF5 is going to have a tournament based storyline. We’ll see soon enough…
So who won the SF4 tournament, Abel, Juri?
I’m thinking the final round took place on the cruise ship in route to the secret lab island.
Street Fighter - Ryu (Defeated Sagat)
Street Fighter II - Guile/Chun/Cammy (or rather combined forces of the hero team) (Defeated Bison)
Street Fighter Alpha - technically wasn’t a tournament
Street Fighter III - Alex (defeated Gill?)
Street Fighter IV - Zangief (officially)
Did Zangief win the SFIV tornament? WTF!!! What happened in that tournament?? I don´t remember anything…
Probably going to focus on Shadaloo’s new scheme, Illuminati and Nash, Necalli vs. Ryu vs. Dictator, etc.
Weren’t Ryu and Ken also part of that group that fought Dictator?
Nothing happened nothing is official.
It’s because Zangief is the only character that has an ending making a reference to him being in the finals. He beats Seth and then takes a picture as proof.
Old news, from SRK’s Laura thread if nowhere else. It’s their father Yuichiro who manages the barber shop.
Thanks! So does this mean Sean has more than one sibling? There’s mention of a Brenda, or is that his mom? The Matsuda’s are master jui jutsu specialists who style hair for a living?
Let me correct some things:
SF1: Wasn’t a tournament.
If you don’t believe me, try to find any reference outside the plot guide (and by proxy, all those fan wiki sites that base their stuff on the plot guide) where SF1 is described as a tournament. It looks like this is more like the “Alpha” games where Ryu just traveled the world and fought a bunch of opponents. While Ryu’s defeat of Sagat is still a topic in the plot, they never mentioned that this happened in a tournament.
SF2: In the old canon, Ryu won the tournament. The whole Chun Li/Guile theory was Tiamat’s own personal opinion based on an incorrect premise.
Don’t believe me? Read this:
http://www.denny-r-walter.de/sf2-winner.html
In the new SF4 canon, the ending of SF2 (which was merged with SFA3, so those are not two separate events anymore) was a five vs. one battle against Bison:
Also, about this question:
Definitely not. Firstly, this game only has regular ending sequences like the other games. I.e. the fighter you play with wins. But there’s no story mode like in the new “Mortal Kombat” that shows a definite canon winner.
Secondly, this game was co-created by Udon. In Udon’s comics, Ryu won the tournament.
Thirdly, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pwn3nojW8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuBkXtPzIhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9kemu8CIo
A three part trailer of the game. This is the closest of a plot reference that you’ll get for this game. And in it, Ryu won the tournament.
So, if this game or its supplementary material confirms any winner in any way, it’s Ryu.
The thing about Zangief winning the SF4 tournament is so stupid. According to this logic, Hugo would be the most likely winner.
But the canon answer is: Many fighters fought a clone of Seth.
I’m pretty sure Zangief wasn’t aware that the didn’t fight the real one, so he’s as much a winner as everybody else.
M. Bison was the one who defeated the real Seth. (Juri killed him when he was on the ground.) So, if being a winner in this tournament is even still an issue in the end, then it’s M. Bison.
You can find the SF4 cutscenes in order here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZQwV7Gvwcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abMUYg5PVB8
Watching this should give you a pretty good picture of what happened at the end of SF4.
If Gief really won, that shit was rigged.
DRW, was there ever a translation from the AAC SF1 story entry? I always assumed it was a tournament.
Well since most of the characters do fight a version of Seth, this would mean that a majority of the characters made it to the finals. If that were the case, then what was the structure of this tournament to have multiple finalists thinking they’re fighting one person? Unless the whole tournament was some elaborate plan for Seth to abduct more fighters, which we know he’s been up to. Also, a majority of the characters fighting Seth are doing so in some laboratory setting and not a venue. We can conclude that these characters aren’t fighting a Seth on a tourney basis, as most had an agenda outside the tournament at stakes.
The 3 Aftermath anime trailers refer to themselves as canon, they say ‘I am part of the Street Fighter timeline’ with the line “Shortly after the events of SFII” that can be found in all of them. This places them firmly at a point in the greater story. This is besides the fact that they were all done for and by Capcom and their Street Fighter 4 game.
I agree you with quite literally everything you said. However, I think the argument that Zangief won is that ‘publicly’ and in the eyes of the world Zangief was the official winner. Since this the SIN tournament was indeed an international affair. What went on inside the SIN base was most likely not a matter of public record. I agree though that it was Bison who most likely defeated the real Seth.
I don’t know if there was a translation. Most official stuff that I read about SF1 was only about Ryu trying to become the best etc., but it was never described as some kind of organized competition.
Yeah, most people assume this is a tournament. Probably because of the plot guide and because SF2 was also a tournament. But when you have a closer look, there’s really nothing to support this as far as I know.
I’m also wondering where this whole “Sagat hosted the tournament” comes from.
And Zangief is one of the fighters who battle a Seth clone in some strange abandoned location.
Hugo would be a better candidate for a canon winner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtqLauQ0WF0
But since he’s just a minor character who wasn’t even in the first version of the game, I guess the tournament works in a way that an official winner cannot really be declared.
However we look at it, Zangief being the winner is unlikely. Some person started claiming this based on the photo that he makes and all of the other people repeated the argument.
Just like in SF2, where literally everybody who supports Guile as the winner always says: "Guile has to be the winner because his ending is the only one that requires him to defeat Bison personally while all other endings could happen either way."
This is exactly Tiamat’s argument. The people repeat his words 1:1, not realizing that this whole premise is wrong since Ryu’s and Dhalsim’s endings also require them to defeat Bison personally since these endings show the winners’ podium with them as the winner and Bison on place 2.
- Those are trailers specifically created for hyping the game.
- They are drawn in exactly the same style as the in-game cutscenes.
- They are not standalone products like the Udon comics or the commercial SF animes from the 90s, i.e. they only make sense in the larger context of the game.
- What argument is there against it? (The whole “comics, movies and animes are non-canon” from the plot guide doesn’t count. That statement was made years ago and referring to the commercially released third party products like the SF2 anime or Masaomi Kanzaki’s mangas. This statement cannot automatically be applied to new material that’s specifically created in line with the game.)