Something I wanted to get cleared
Is the thing about Charlie defeating Bison canon at all
Oh Scholars please help me, bestow me with your guidance
No, you silly, Charlie never defeated Bison, it was Cammy
Both did.
Cammy won as Bison tested her.
And Charlie won in the end of Alpha.
And no I will not stop. Saying someone is weak because of the own opinion, while this is not true is spreading wrong facts.
I.E she is the strongest woman in SF, deal with it.
If you mean is his is Alpha 1/2 ending canon then yes it is, but Charlie never actually defeated Bison. He mightâve thought he did momentarily before he realized his weakness. Capcom will likely retcon Charlieâs past in a flashback sequence in SF5 though, weâll know soon what really happened.
I recently made a post about Charlieâs story according to the Alpha canon. Hope it is helpful.
Believe it or not, his Cammy rant started on page 5 (19 days ago) and has pretty much continued since then.
I know the folks here say that the game play elements donât have effect on the story, but what about Zangiefâs distaste for Hadokens? Surely this was birthed out of, and reflected in the gameplay, as Gief is traditionally weak against Fireballs. I know this isnât the case with everything (like Hakan and fire), but couldnât you make an exception in this case?
All those Shadaloo agent encounters aside, I really hope we get to see a showdown between Shadaloo and Illuminati in this game (with the leaders [Bison and Gill] duking it out though in a deathmatch, not just some post-match dialogue between Bison and Urien where they just look with contempt at their respective organizations).
Ironically it is probably more productive and easy to make an ass tier list than a power tier list in Street Fighter, given that the characters werenât written to be consistent but have kept at least vaguely similar appearances
PS Urien best cheekz
Yeah the blind Cammy fanboyism is so strong. Buy a Cammy waifu pillow and get it over with. Geez.
Also, wow the Japanese crowd doesnât downvote a wank-fest description that worships a thong-wearing small-chested tsundere loli with a flight attendant cap and pig-tails? Alert the press!
âYou would never downvote meeeeeeee, would you, senpai?â
This is just silly now. Letâs stop. Here Iâll helpâŚ
Moving on, whatâs the odds that the suddenly ostentatious presentation of Shadaloo and its generals is all FANGâs egotistical doing? He seems to be a HUGE Shadaloo fanboy and egocentric towards himself as well.
He is certainly egotistical, but I wouldnât get too comfortable with the idea of him being super loyal to his organization. I get an EXTREMELY strong sense that he, like Vega, is plotting to overthrow Bison, but that heâll be more reckless about it.
Oh donât get me wrong, I think heâs all âRah rah, Shadaloo!â in a very self-serving way. A couple pages back I predicted that heâs going to be the Starscream to Bisonâs Megatron going forward. I could see Bison even keeping him around because he likes Fangs ambition and shear vile wickedness.
Athena is a goddess too, yet sheâs so weak when compared to Ingrid.
SNK want to keep women down!
Are you implying that FANG was an architect for the Shadaloo base stage we see in SF5?
I think thatâs whatâs going to happen, for a while Iâve been expecting significant retcons to smooth things out, but now that theyâre âdoing the story rightâ theyâre going to have a lot more of control to present things. Also with this new steady upgrade platform, we can really add story details like never before. I honestly donât think a retcon at this stage will be bad. If it smooths things out, doesnât erase SF3, but rather fits it in with the old stories to make an overall smoother ride, we can finally progress and have steady story progression.
I may be optimistic, but this is the most excited Iâve been for a SF story in a while, even if itâs a small upgrade from SF4âs approach, there still has been an increased focus starting with vanilla 4.
Iâd buy that for a dollar. I really think heâs thinking of pushing towards a final hurrah for Shadaloo and finally crushing its enemies. As I speculated that Fangâs been a longtime shdaloo member, but only recently became a fighter (through experimentation) his hype is at an all time high and MAYBE heâs pushing hard and Bisonâs more in-your-face out of necessity? Out of a discovery that makes Bison more powerful than ever (as pointed out by Daemos in the Capcom panel pic from a bit back)?
I keep looking at how they say the alt-costumes will be relevant, and to me, Bisonâs immediately paints a picture of him standing in front of a grand hall of Shadaloo Elite in their most grand base, holding his GREATEST speech, rallying the troops for their greatest victory. His outfit has so many gold elements, his overall look has quite a bit of style and polish, like he wants to make an impact, but also have some snazzy threads to feel royal, KINGLY.
Also, about Fang, I agree with him beingthe Starscream, I think when he does turn traitor, itâs because he loves Bisonâs ideal and creation so much, but he feels that after a failure or setback, that even Bison himself is âno longer worthyâ of his own dream. I think that would be interesting, really â dude so much of a fanboy, that a little straying from his husbandoâs ideal makes him immediately lose faith, but rather than packing up and leaving, stays to âimproveâ on whatâs been broken.
Really? I know the old SNK game was, but I thought that Athena in KoF was just another psychic.
Vega isnât really plotting to overthrow Bison, so much as he doesnât care or is indifferent towards Shadaloo and Bisonâs well being at times it seems. This is manifested very accurately in his SF5 win quote against Bison. His SF4 ending though has him wanting Shadaloo to live forever, which is a bit of a contradiction.
Boxer on the other hand just wants to plunder and pillage Shadaloo for what itâs worth. Heâs all about the money. A bruiser for the highest bidder.
FANG on the other hand is genuinely interested in actually being Bison probably. Heâs the only one it seems with actual ambitions to overthrow him like you said. FANG also appears to care for Shadaloo itself.
I preferred the SF2AM movie portrayal of Shadaloo, where it was more serious and the Kings had a vested interest in the organization. Their possible betrayal or their bitter feelings towards one another were less pronounced. Boxer also wasnât a thug for hire, he was a sophisticated kingpin of sorts, that was only savage in the ring. Now it feels you canât take them as seriously because of how much of a parody they became. This is true for most characters though.
Speaking Boxer, why is he wearing what looks like the Illuminati insignia (all seeing eye) as a badge in his DLC preview? Could the Illuminati have double whatever Bison was paying him?
Iâm not sure if FANG is behind Shadalooâs design. Bison himself is quite eccentric and was presented as such many times in the EU. I mean look at his battle costume with the gold skulls, leather coat with red satin on the inside. The man has taste. What makes me agree with you though is that I find it strange for Bison to create statues in honor of Vega, Boxer, and FANG. Itâs so out of character for him to consider any of them on his level in this way, especially since he most probably knows of their impending betrayals.
I like it how FANG is self-declared second in command.
And that only Bisons abilitys are on pair with his own, self-declared.
Oh yeah and america is blind, since strengh is all visual. Put Urien into strong fighters without a real reason. He is badass nothing more. His style is op not him.
Itâs about accuracy, not appearance or wishes.
I remember, but SNK has really strong womens in itâs cast.
King,Leona,Angel,hell even Kula is freaking powerfull.
I ranked Urien as high as I did because Urien actually beat Gill, possibly twice. They also had almost the exact same training for the exact same time growing up and are considered relatively equal, as noted even by the SFWWE. This is what makes Urien more bitter and jealous of his brother, the fact that he knows they are the same strength but they chairmen of the Illuminati still chose his brother over him. It drives him mad. They did this because Gillâs values align with the Illuminati, and they likely suspect that Urien isnât stable or that he is only interested in power. But that is besides the point/ So yes, Urien and Gill are very close in power levels. Both are elementals in their own way with similar fighting styles as evidenced by their shared moves.
Youâre one to talk about accuracy overriding âappearance and wishes by the wayâ. For 8 pages/3 weeks now youâve been trying to shove down our throats bullshit that Cammy is the strongest female in SF - She isnât. If you value the opinions and ideas of your Japanese friends over âWesternâ audiences then by all means go discuss Cammyâs awesomeness there.
Tz.
Cammy still won against Juri in the tournament, maybe Chun did this too, but this would make both equal.
Oh wait,every Rival fight appart from this one happend.
Urien and Gill must be totaly equal. Iâm sure Gill would lose to Ken and Chun too. Oh wait, this fights probably never happend.
Didnât Gill basically sandbag his match against Urien, because win or lose he wouldnât have usurped him as Emperor? He basically gave him a spot in the upper echelon of the Illuminati out of pity, because win or lose Urien wouldâve still had to answer to him.
As much as Chun Li is my favorite character, I have to admit that Cammy is much stronger, as shown in the Street Fighter 4 canon battles.
Chun Li beat: Viper and Juri
Chun Li lost to: Viper, Balrog, Vega, Gen and Yun
Cammy beat: Viper and Juri
Cammy lost to: Decapre (and that was because she didnât want to hurt her)
Itâs all in the canon already. I donât see why you are arguing about it.
Btw, Ryu is low on Cipherâs list because he lost to Sagat, Akuma, Gouken, Sakura, Rose and Yang. What a loser!
âMaybe Chun did this too.â Letâs just give credit where itâs due. They both beat Juri in the tournament. I donât know much about 3rd Strikeâs ambiguous story, so I canât comment on that.