Looking at that pic again, I was picturing Chun and Charlie kissing and it looks like they exaggerated the height differences of all characters. Quickly noticeable on Charlie; he’s supposed to be 186cm, only 11cm taller than Ryu, but he towers over him. Cammy’s eyes are level with Chun Li’s chin, and well below Birdie’s belly button. everyone was supposed to be much closer.
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No rush, man. Thanks!
Got it, M.Bison is Ultron!
That’s actually very appropriate
“I see what you did there”
The models are probably sort of off because of the character poses. Nash was made super tall to compensate for his hunch.
Well, keep in mind that Charlie wears some big ol’ combat boots while Ryu walks around barefoot.
Ah so charlie was the SF version of the hunch back of notre dame. Makes sense.
M. Bison & M. Bison II bio for Street Fighter EX/EX2/EX2+
シリーズ が 変わっ て も やっぱ り 悪役 で 、 リュウ 、 ケン 、 春麗 は もとより 、 登場 する キャラクタ - すべて の 最終 ボス 。 ポリゴン 化 し て いちだん と 重 そう …… もとい 威厳 たっぷり に なっ た
操作 キャラクター として 登場 する こと は な が 、 春麗 や ガイル の エンディング で は 彼 の 存 について ふれ られる
新薬 「 SH - 11 」 と サイコパワ ふたつ の 力 を もっ て 世界 を 征服 しよ う と たくらむ 。 また 乱 ス キャラクター として 「 ベガ ” Ⅱ 」 も 登場
乱入 キャラクター として 登場 する 、 強化 さ れ た ベガ. 豪鬼 と 豪鬼 の 関係 に のっとり 、 「 真 ベガ 」 と も 呼ば れる. 本家 ベガ と は 異なり, 白く輝く身体 を 持つ 。 プレイヤー は 使用 でき ない
I still find it funny how Necalli is like super tall, I know he’s in slouch position during his stance but even then he looks really short.
O.k., yes, it says “after”, but do you really think the intention is that the regular final battle from SF2 still happened and Bison even got attacked by Akuma and then the whole scene with the five fighters vs. Bison occured?
Right. I totally forgot that the ending text is different in the Japanese version.
But it’s still anticlimactic: Dead or not, but Bison gets defeated by some unrelated fighter. He’s set up as the big bad and then he is knocked out just before the final battle. This wouldn’t work very well in an actual story. Akuma should have either been an alternate boss (so that you can devise a story where Guile or Chun Li challenges Bison while Ryu follows Akuma’s trail) or he should have been an additional boss that appears after you defeat Bison. But if the hidden boss defeats the main boss before that main boss even gets to fight, meh, this is a bit stupid.
I’m not quite sure what SFA3 has to do with this. SFA3 was never supposed to be a remake or an update of SF2. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have included Charlie, but they would have simply made Charlie’s SFA2 ending canon and made SFA3 Guile’s big revenge story. But they didn’t. Charlie dies, Cammy gets out of her brainwashing and so on. This clearly sets up the plot of SF2.
So, Bison being killed there cannot be an attempt to finish Bison off for good because it was clear right from the start that Bison would return/has returned in SF2. The only thing that was different now was that SF2 Bison was a resurrected person. Had the “Alpha” story ended with SFA2, then the tournament wouldn’t have been about Bison’s return and revenge because he would have never been dead to begin with.
Of course, that’s exactly what they do now with SF4 and SF5: Charlie’s SFA2 ending is canon and Bison only died once at the end of the SF2 tournament, but followed by an explosion like in SFA3 and without any interference by Akuma. But that’s something completely different. Back in the old days, SFA3 wasn’t supposed to be Bison’s final demise as it was intended as a direct prequel to SF2 right from the start.
I’m pretty sure it means that Ryu was the tournament finalist. Because contrary to popular opinion, Capcom has always intended Ryu to be the canon winner.
I’m really curious what Vasili will do with the plot guide now.
In SF5, it is confirmed without any doubt that Charlie’s SFA2 ending was his “death” scene. So, Vasili will have to update the information according to that.
But the thing is: This is not a new addition to SF5, but was already the case in SF4.
It’s just that nobody can deny it anymore while many people in the past still supported SFA3’s death scene. But many other people on this forum already concluded that Guile’s SF4 cutscenes point to Charlie’s SFA2 ending. And yet, as of SF4, the plot guide still treats the whole story as if Guile’s SFA3 ending was Charlie’s canon death scene.
So, what will Vasili do?
Will he admit that the last version of the plot guide has always been false because SF4 already confirmed that Charlie’s SFA2 death scene is the canon one and that his SFA3 death scene never happened?
Or will he still claim that, while the SFA2 death scene is canon as of SF5, the SFA3 death scene really was still canon when SF4 came out, ignoring that even SF4 points to SFA2 instead of SFA3?
Also, what will he do with Charlie Nash’s name? I assume the following: “Yes, he’s Charlie Nash now. But the dog tags in SF4, they really didn’t count. So, I was still right back then. The name Charlie Nash in the Japanese version only proves that the developers made this name canon now. It doesn’t retroactively mean that his dog tag in SF4 was canon. The developers didn’t make the name Chalie Nash canon in SF4. They only decided this in SF5. And the SF4 cutscene was still just an easter egg and not a proof that I was wrong all the time.”
M. Bison bios Vs Series (XvSF, MSvSF, MvC, MvC2) & Pocket Fighter
舞台 を 変え て も やっぱり 悪 の 帝王 。 世界征服 の 夢 が さらに ス ケール アップ し 、 宇宙征服 へ と 乗り出し た. 洗脳 し た キャミィ ( 『 スト ZERO 」 仕様 の キャミィ ) を し たがえる だけ で は 飽き たらず 、 ローグ も シャドル ー に スカウト しよ う と する が 、 フラ れ た 様子 。
を 利用 し て 改造人間 たち を 造り出し, 彼ら を 使っ て 世界征服 へ と 乗り出そ う と し て いる 。 前作 の ナッシュ の エンディング を 受け てか 、 手 はじめ に ナッシュ を 改造 し 「 シャドウ 」 として 送りこむ 。 また 、 ザンギエフ の 願い を か な え 鋼鉄 の 身体 を 持つ 「 メカ ザンギエフ 」 に 改造 し た の も 彼
春麗 の エンディング に 登場. 自分 を 追っ て き た 春麗 を 改造 し ようとし 、 シャドウ に 阻止 さ れ る 。 また 、 実際 に 彼 が 春麗改造 に 成功 し た パー ジョン 「 シャドウ レディ 」 の エンディング に も 姿 を 見せ 、 ジン に 瀕死 の 重傷 を 負わ せる
設定 は 従来 の 『 VS. 』 シリーズ と 同じ で 、 キャミィ を 部下 に し た がえ て いる が 、 イラスト の 彼 は 「 スト Ⅱ 」 時代並み に スリム に なっ た
背景 に 登場 ! , 国 ステージ は ソリ 遊び を 満喫 し 、 中華街 ス テージ で は ラーメン を 食べ 、 ク リスマス ステージ で は キャミィ に おねだり さ れ て いる 。 さらに バー ステージ で は 2 階席 で 試合 を 観戦 …… と 、 背景出現率 は No.1
SF5 will force Vasili to make many rewrites to the plot guide. Chun’s flashback story in SF5 has her find out about her father’s death from Claw instead of Dictator. Mika and Gief were present at the Shadaloo base in Alpha 3 so her ending in that game is partially canon. Depending what they do with Juri the game will further cement the Juri OVA as canon.
Vega “Balrog” (Claw) bio Street Fighter EX 2/ EX2+
『 スト EX 』 シリーズ 初登場 .相変わら ず 血 を 求め て 闘い に 身 を 投じ て いる 。 本作 に は ベガ が 登場 し ない ため 、 シャドルー に 所属 し て いる か ど うかは 不明. 勝ち ポーズ で 仮面 を はずす ほか 、 任意 に 仮面 を はずし て 「 素顔 バルログ 」 を 操作 す ること も できる
シャドルー の 一員 として 春麗 や ガイル など の 邪魔者 を 排除 し て いる 。 また 、 新薬 SH - 11 に 大変興味 を 持っ て おり 、 ベガ を 倒し て 薬 を 奪お う と ひそか に 計画中 。 最後 は SH - 11 を みずから 服用 し 、 究極 の 美 – 略し て 「 極美 」 を 手 に 入れる も その 代償 は 大きかっ た
Interesting. Claw wants to obtain the SH-11 to gain “Ultimate Beauty” as well as beat Bison.
Even though there wasn’t a plot in the *actual *EX games and SF4 came out many yrs later, I like how they got the essence of the character down in both. Stealing the S.I.N. data for his own personal gain goes along with his EX2+ story in wanting to steal the SH-11 drug from Shadaloo for the same reason. That damn sly dog.
Anyone check out the fan made SFV story mode?
That wasn’t bad. Though…the whole reference stuff was kinda…well yeah…
Not.
AAC entry for SFZ3 Rose.
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“Determined by the mission to stop Vega even at the cost of her life, goes to the Shadoloo base. In the end, it’s revealed that in the past, Vega was her master.** After the fight, she realizes that her soul and Vega’s are the same, but it was too late. The soul of Vega is inherited by the body of Rose.** In the “Street Fighter Zero” version, as well as with the Nash character, Rose was also known to be a tragic character. In this version, however, Nash was given an happy ending, which did not happen with Rose …”
So there you have it. A straightforward evidence from a japanese source telling that they have the same soul.
@bakfromon and others, feel free to check that translation. That’s why I’m posting the japanese text as well.
But the way they showed it was REALLY stupid. Why would he commit suicide if it wasn’t to show at least a burnt body? The investigation said that no proof was found and that the 4 bosses were destroyed with the base… and everyone believed it… Yeah, right.
Since Capcom is retconning (or better saying, rewritting) the SF story, I really don’t know what to think. Back in SFIV you could “play” with a few scenarios of Vega’s death. But now…
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Vega would return to SF2 because Z3 is it’s prequel. But we already knew what would be his end… Capcom was pretty much done with him and Shadoloo when Z3 came out in 1998. They even re-enact how Vega is killed by Gouki by attacking him off-guard with the SGS in Adon’s Z3 ending, but added his body exploding, killing him. They reinforced it with that relation chart in 1999. Also, I don’t remember any official evidence of Shadoloo building him a new body for SF2. That’s all common sense. Capcom never said anything about it. At least not that I remember…
Capcom never gave us insight of how the soul transfer works. I’m pretty sure it’s something that must happen immediately when he dies. That’s what happens in Cammy and Rose’s Z3 (and Guile) ending when he possess them. I don’t think that he goes to the Umbral, spend some time with the spirit of Hitler, Napoleon and others and all of a sudden reincarnates in an new body…
@bakfromon when you finish that translation batch, would you mind doing a few more?
Rose Z3 ending with a few added comments from SF eternal.
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The relation between Rose and Vega from the SF master character chart also from eternal.[details=Spoiler]
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Guile’s account from AAC (only SF part)
Ryu’s SF2/SF2’/SF2HF/SSF2/SSF2X (it’s one single account) from AAC to see if he was meant to be the SF2 winner (I don’t even see Vega’s name written there…)
Gouki’s SSF2X and Z3 account to see if there’s any more details about Vega’s demise.
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Thanks in advance!
Here’s the Japanese transcript.
命 に かえ て も ベガ を 封じ なく て は 、 という 使命 に 駆ら れ て シャドルー 基地 へ 向かう。 エンディ ング で は 、 かつて 彼女 が ベガ の 弟子 だっ た こと が 判明 。 闘い の すえ 、 自分 と ベガ の 魂 が 同一 で ある こと に 気づく も すでに 遅く 、 ベガ の 魂 が ロー ズ の 肉体 へ と 受け継が れ て しまう 。 『 スト ZERO 」 シリーズ の 彼女 は 、 ナッシュ と 並ぶ悲劇 の キャラ クター として おなじみ だっ た が 、 本作 で は ナッジ ュ が ハッピー エンド を 迎え 、 彼女 だけ が 相 も 変 わらぬ 悲劇的結末 を 迎える こと に…。
What I can tell from first glance is that they do mention Rose and Bison being of the same soul (ベガ の魂 “Soul of Vega”) and that he inhabits her afterwards.
I’ll provide a transcript for the rest of Rose’s bio after I knock out Q, Gill, and Urien as I already have them prepped in text format.
So the upcoming order for everything will be:
Q
Gill
Urien
Rose
Ryu
Guile
Akuma
