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Which she’ll replace with a machine gun
Not to mention they’ll probably want Chun-li’s hands to remain clean. I assume Nash has already killed his share of people?
Juri, nash, guile. Those should beat Bison. MAYBE ken…maybe. Ryu don’t deserve it.
Possibly. I doubt the Shadowloo soldier he attacked when Ryu encounters him survived.
So she gets burst fire as a V-Trigger?
Yup because jun is a plot device of jin and tt2 is spinooff game but namco can’t get rid of heihachi which is the pop culture equivalent of dictator, heihachi is always on the background or part of the plot.
Yeah Real Bout but like i said not in Snk’s main game the KOF main universe which has a different Geese, Rock, Terry, Ryo and so fort.
Imagine thing change do fast like for this 5 years… different set of people with new main villain… then another set… then another set… Its just gonna kill the series by risking to much and it’s identity all it needs is a better plot per event like tekken does and snk does with kof per game not to justify things by ending because hype and trends. that why many franchise reboot because of wrong decision made in the past to go with the hype which changes gradually. Batman beyond, Spiderman 2099 and other that try to justify everything in the future not tried a healthy better common ground on existence of one another to use for other plots. Just an opinion its up to whatever capcom would do in june. I hope the could do something interesting plots like 90s comic book do before the death of superman and not the controversial and political styles like the marvel and dc this late years of 2000s.
Just thought this was a cool interview which touched upon some of the topics we’ve been going over in this thread. Mainly things like Hadoken and the Sonic Boom.
The way he was describing those attacks, made me think he should post in this thread. He also gets bonus points for WY tshirt. 
Just throwing this out there and it’s based on personal bias and history with SF…
…but SF5-3 era Ken going all-out to protect a legitimately threatened/endangered/harmed Eliza & Mel would body Akuma. BODY HIM.
I’m not throwing it out as a tier point to argue…just how I personally feel about the situation. That is the one thing beyond the pale when it comes to the ferocity & capability of the main characters. BODY HIM.
Well akuma isn’t exactly…“top tier” material. I mean even after all he’s done…and the things he’s failed to do…he is much less menacing nowadays. Actually come to think of it…he hasn’t done much…
Are we talking SF3:3s era Akuma? Cuz that motherfucker splits mountains. I don’t doubt that Ken has a state of being that can be potentially as OP as fuck as Ryu but 3s Akuma is on another level.
I agree that he would be able to body previous versions of the character.
Wtf? Akuma is the quintessential top tier material. I can’t believe I am defending him but it’s true.
What exactly did he fail to do?
He still beat Goutetsu. Still beat Gen. His scoreboard with Gouken is 2-1 in Gouken’s favor but it’s still not done. His encounter with Bison was retconned from happening. His fight with Oro is up in the air.
Just because OTHER top tier fighters (top 5%) aren’t bowing to his might, doesn’t mean he can’t body everyone else and their mother. He is still very much one of the most powerful fighters in the SF universe.
Actually I’ve seen a number of people complain about Honda, in the old SFV story thread we all discussed that Honda doesn’t do anything for the story so why bring him back. Unfortunately that thread disappeared but here is stuff from the character request thread:
Spoiler
You don’t need Bison to appear AT ALL. You intentionally ignored the rest of my post where I pointed out that villains can not be in a storyline AT ALL, even SLIGHTLY and still have a great story. Do we need to have Magneto ALWAYS pulling the strings behind the scenes when the X-men go fight Apocalypse or Mr Sinister or The Hellfire Club? No, no we don’t. FFS sometimes Magneto teams up with the X-men AGAINST these guys because the new villain is an even bigger threat than him. Same with Dr Doom. Hell, on more than one occasion Doom HAS been pulling the strings then it turns out that Doom himself was tricked and he wasn’t pulling the strings at all.
You say some other villain pushes the main plot but then you say Bison is behind the scenes pulling the strings you are saying that the villain is second fiddle. Bison is STILL the main villain in this case. You haven’t removed Bison, if anything you’ve GROWN him by making him the guy on top of the new guy. You’ve effectively made him omnipresent and omnipotent. A god figure. He is always there, he controls everything, nothing goes on without his desire being behind it. If you defeat him it doesn’t matter because he’ll be right back since nothing goes on without him touching on it.
The only time Bison hasn’t been the main guy is when Gill was. Seth THOUGHT he was but he wasn’t. Bison was still stronger and still had something to do with the plot. He may not have been the final boss but story wise he was the guy on top. Seth and blece and all that nonsense could have carried the plot without Bison ever appearing or having any interaction with Seth’s past. However they included Bison because they were banking on nostalgia. That is how they sold SF4. The arcade version was literally just the entire world warrior’s cast + new characters and hidden Akuma.
Make a new baddie who is doing something outside of Bison’s control. Bison doesn’t need to even appear or matter to the plot at all. Shadowloo isn’t the only evil in the world and, despite what Bison WANTS, not everyone bows to his will. We don’t need him every single time to have a finger in the pie.
Ironically I feel that Akuma was more threatening the less he did in canon and the less we knew about him. He was the figurehead secret fighting game character and the more we knew about him the less threatening he became. That’s why I feel they have to add a bunch of ridiculous displays of power to keep the nostalgic sense of intimidation he had when he was first introduced as a secret boss.
^Speaking of different bad guys, that’s something I really like about Soul Calibur; so many bad guys, from different backgrounds, with different goals. Nightmare, Astaroth, Zasalamel, Raphael, Cervantes.
I always felt that Soul Calibur’s Cervantes had a lot in common with M.Bison.
Perhaps. I mean, from a story point of view. What’s he done? He’s failed to actually do anything worthwhile to the main cast, Oro doesn’t seem to care that he exists, Gill brushes him aside like dust, Bison forgot about him as have ryu ( so far). I feel story wise akuma is just there. He doesn’t really do anything. The displays he’s shown? I mean I bet any money the more powerful characters accomplish what he’s able to do. But they just aren’t showing it. Like I’m pretty sure gill, urien, bison, juri, ryu, ken, chun (maybe), nash, guile (maybe), oro, necalli can most likely accomplish these feats of his. But seeing as how they have more significant roles to fill they just don’t.
Like I feel about DBZ and many other Shounen mangas, when you remove permanence from the story you remove what makes the thing a true threat, IMO. Permanent plot armor for every character makes threats feel weak the more they occur. When death isn’t permanent or can’t even happen due to plot armor then what is the threat of death? What is the threat of injury when a bandaid fixes it? I mean you can do it, but it’s not really scary, there is no tension.
At least Nash stayed dead for a while, that actually had some interesting consequences on the story. It made Bison seem stronger. It gave a motive for Chun/Guile to seek Bison and defeat him beyond “He is bad, we are good.” It also gave a new story for them while they believe he isn’t dead. Also it created a new storyline for Nash as he came back very different. Again, Nash went from “I’m good, Bison is bad” to actually having a motive to fight Bison. “This guy tried to kill me. I came back damaged, I want revenge.” Then we also got an interesting new backstory for Nash that we can explore “What happened to him between Alpha and V (which is a long gap)?” Bison dying in Alpha he revives in 2 we know he can’t be killed and he returned the very next time there is anything. Again happened in 2->4. He didn’t die in 4 so we see him again in 5 so that is at least a new ending. We want to know why he disappears in 3 where he doesn’t even make a peep. I want Illuminati to be a rival to Shadoloo. Something Bison doesn’t control.
Akuma hasn’t done ANYTHING since he first came about. He made rivalries that he then abandoned or hasn’t moved forward. 
As we’ve said before, “Die One Thousand Deaths” is has ironically failed 2 out of 3 times 
I don’t believe Capcom ever intended to kill Nash permanently. They foreshadowed his return very strongly in Alpha 2 and Alpha 3. They also made it abundantly clear in the Alpha era that Bison was beyond death (as human beings understood it). So I never found it surprising for them to be alive, nor do I think that Capcom went back on their vision. I actually get the feeling that SF4 and SF5 are almost picking up where we left off in the 90s in terms of plot.
Re: Permanence
Nash coming back disfigured (no matter how goofy it looks) is a sign that there are consequences for your actions in the SF universe, albeit relatively minor ones. Major consequences like death would be most welcome IMO. But you can’t be open to killing villains if you can’t also accept the killing off of heroes. That is the way it is done, or at least should be. We either have permanent consequences or we don’t; Either remove plot armor from everyone or we don’t.
I’m not entirely on board the Illuminati x Shadaloo rivalry because I don’t like the idea of pitting villains against one another when we have heroes perfectly fit for the role. They can use one another, manipulate one another, be bitchy to each other, take turns in the spotlight or just share it for a time. They should at most even compete with one another, but they should not be true rivals.
I really do think 3S is going to be rectonned.
It won’t.
The SF3 characters in SF4 respected their SF3 plots (age disparity aside, this was the only real retcon but it applies to all the cast). Capcom has also made it very clear that SF5 takes place between SF4 and SF3. Meaning it does not overwrite SF3 and that it respects SF3’s position in the timeline.