Right, but that’s in Alpha 3, which was still YEARS after the Shinku Hadoken was introduces in ST.
The point is, if they really wanted the Shinku Hadoken to be powered by the Power of Mu, why didn’t they call it a Mu Hadoken? Or the Power of Shinku? The fact that they didn’t use the same term suggests that they didn’t intend for them to have the same meaning.
That’s just it though. It’s hundreds and hundreds of real world philosophy that completely differentiates and contradicts each other. And people are cherry picking specific parts of it to try and apply a specific interpretation onto Street Fighter without knowing which parts actually inspired the people writing it.
It’s like if someone writes a story and says, “I based this story on the Bible.” The only rational response to that is to say, “Which parts?” Because it’s an ancient, constantly changing, and often conflicting work and to assume that the entire thing can be applied to one specific story is ridiculous.
The real world martial arts philosophy is cool to know, and interesting, but that doesn’t mean it applies to SF in any way. It certainly might, but it just as easily might not. Because we have no way of knowing what interpretation of those philosophies the author was using unless they tell us. And to try assume what that interpretation is, frankly, little more than fanfiction.
tl:dr, I don’t think that the info that @bakfroman is giving is correct in SF. I’m not saying it’s NOT correct, just that there’s no evidence in SF to support it. All of his evidence comes from outside SF. And while that information is cool and interesting, it’s just his theory.
That’s like trying to ask why Ken didn’t name his Shippu Jinrai Kyaku (疾風迅雷脚 “Hurricane Swift Thunder Leg”), Senpuu Jinrai Kyaku (旋風迅雷脚 “Whirlwind Swift Thunder Leg”) because it’s his super version of Tasumaki Senpuu Kyaku and both can be understood as the same thing in Japanese? Imo the True Void in Shinkuu Hadoken (真空- Vacuum, hollow, empty, vacuity) is in direct reference to the philosophies of Miyamoto Musashi, but also they key on how Gouken taps into his Hado energy through Mu.
Yes but the information I’m giving has been solidly rooted in martial arts fiction and non fiction which is something Street Fighter has been intrinsically tied to since it’s inception. Yes it all ultimately breaks down to a theory, but none the less this theory is supported by hundreds if not thousands of years of legends that the series basis itself in the middle of, along with facts, and history. The evidence has come outside of SF only to be incorporated into it.
You think Dhalsim was an original idea, and not inspired by the Yoga Master in Master of the Flying Guillotine even though no one said that was the case?
That Balrog isn’t somehow based off of Mike Tyson even though Capcom never officially said this was the case?
How about Andore being based on Andre the Giant?
Even things like saying Rose and Necalli being based off of JoJo characters are all theories and basically nothing more than fan fiction because they’re not officially stated to be based on such. But if you know any of the facts behind what they’re referencing then it becomes clear to what they mean when they put a Yin Yang symbol in the stomach of a pale white android, or have a Demon gone Super Saiyan take the martial stance of a Nio statue, or have an 8’ft tall giant with bushy hair.
I always found that the concepts that inspired the cast of Street Fighter to be as clear as day to anyone who is familiar with their inspirations. I don’t need Capcom to tell me that Fei-Long is a homage to Bruce Lee, Yun and Yang looks are based on Duo Maxwell and Trowa from Gundam Wing and Remy is Capcom’s take on SNK type character design.
Martial art philosophy in the game is the same. Just not spelled out for you like a series like KoF.
That’s fine, cause you said “imo” this time. Previously you made it sound like you were explaining something that was canon.
It’s a good theory. Might be totally correct.
And it’s fine to say “The Power of Mu is based on a real philosophy.”, but that is NOT the same thing as taking that basis, and drawing a direct storyline conclusions like “Power of Mu is Gouken’s fighting style and Ryu and Ken both know it.” Because something being based on something else doesn’t mean the parallels are direct ones.
SF canon is such a swiss cheese mess that pretty much EVERYTHING should be assumed to be either “IMO” or inferred.
It’s pretty much obvious, however, that Mu, as in the martial arts concept, is behind “Void” in Shinkuu Hadoken and Gouken’s use of Mu…otherwise that is the BIGGEST coincidence ever for it to occur with those behind the scenes at Capcom, apparently, totally ignorant to the cultural heritage and history wrapped up in the imaginative product they are creating from…uh…their own imaginations. That’d be an act of Mu in and of itself to pull something literally out of nothing and have it all line up perfectly.
Also…I mean…again, this is ALL stolen pretty much verbatim from Fist of the Northstar so…there’s that to consider. None of this is even original.
You say this because of his friend’s dissapearance? I haven’t seen any proof his friend is tied to SIN, an even if she were, she doesn’t necessarily need to have been in danger when the SFIV tournament ended and the SIN base was attacked.
Speaking of tengo tenge, you know Mitsuomi Takayanagi? Some pages back someone mentioned finding it hard to believe that just through training Karin was so good, and I likened her to be Mitsuomi of SF. But the I remember Mitsuomi got like her his because of condition he was afflicted with. SO maybe Karin is more like Masataka?
Btw have you read The Breaker? It’s like a Tengo Tenge but with less fantasy techniques like making bullets out of water.
Ok, but you’re here trying to make the statement that this “Power of Mu” is some kinda technique, and I’m arguing it’s a source of power not only because the fact it’s mentioned as a type of power in the name, but how it is also mentioned as such through real philosophies which have a high probability of being the integral basis. The same type of philosophies which can drive a certain intent, one of which we like to call Nothingness. That the No intent, is opposite to the Murderous Intent which is powered by harboring on thoughts murder and clinging to death energy.
So is there any basis on Power of Nothingness being a technique? The only evidence I’ve seen of this is in Udon’s World Warrior encyclopedia where Gouken is said to have survived using the “trick of Nothingness” (whatever the fuck that is) to survive his onslaught against Akuma.
I think this statement however officially deemed is the one that is baseless, as it implies Nothingness is some trick or illusion Gouken used to escape. Gouken isn’t some ninja who can switch himself out for a log stump the very instant danger approaches, he’s a martial artist who’s Nothingness best correlates when speaking about the “No Mind” and not some trick. This No Mind serves as a basis for fighters in reality, why not so in the game canon that is based upon fighters?
The only perceived illusion was Gouken’s “death”, and the closest newer canon source to Gouken’s death outside of WWE is the SF4 anime trailer, which is the same anime company who did the trailers, SF4 OVA, and characters endings.
What happens here? A few punches and kicks thrown between Gouken and Akuma, Gen laughing, Akuma looking down at something, and then a whirlpool in the ocean. This is the fate of Gouken, and although you never see what clearly happens there is no implied trick or technique happening in the process. Akuma’s staring down at the ocean where Gouken’s body has fallen. Whatever happened sent Gouken for a tumble, which correlates to the old EGM SF3 hoax on how Gouken (then Sheng Long) died, not by a SGS.
This actually leaves room for Gouken to escape perceived death, like Nash’s SFA2 ending compared to his SFA3 ending, which is why SFV uses it instead to justify bringing Nash back from the grave. Because in SFA3 they made it pretty apparent he was toast in a massive base explosion that Bison needed a whole new body just to continue surviving not some Frankenstein stitches.
All in all I think even Gouken’s fight with Akuma and eventual outcome of *how *his death occurred has been retconned in some regard to old canon because of the SGS becoming some infallible instantaneous killing move that was known to fell Goutetsu, and implied to fell M.Bison in Akuma’s first appearance. Which is why Akuma would be so shocked in SF4 to SGS Gouken and him counter with Mu, which was supposed to have happened already and Akuma should have known but has been retconned as not being the case.
If you say that one of the balls is in the lower part of Mexico, then the ball may be in Tabasco, where the Olmeca ruins are, and so Urien’s stage in Third Strike.
There are 7 Balls, or Psycho Satellites of Awesomeness (PSA, that’s what it stands for I swear). So the map in Shadaloo base likely is pointing to something else, like the remaining Shadaloo bases perhaps.
It’s interesting how this hoax has Gouken’s actual name listed as an alias. That should be done with Akuma in the English versions of the game. Akuma works better as an alias then an actual name.
I like how the Assassin’s fist series handled it. His real name is Gouki, but once he forsake his humanity he started being known as Akuma. It’s kinda like his stage name.
I’m assuming by this definition you mean people without technological (cyborgs, gadgets) and mystical (SNH, Psycho Power) augmentations? There are a few runners for this, actually:
-Cody is one, but we haven’t seen him really try enough to know for sure. He generally seems bored, but may just be his personality now.
-Zangief has some of the strongest raw attacks (no lasers/ki needed) in the series, and is famous for wrestling gigantic bears in sub-zero weather
-Hugo, according to the (probably canon one day) Ryu Final manga, can take a Shin Shoryuken and keep fighting, something few can claim
-Balrog can knock out Indian Elephants with a single punch
These guys stand out in the “raw human potential” category since their styles do not revolve around an energy/philosophy in the same way Anatsuken, Senjutsu, Psycho/Soul Power, the Illuminati techniques, and Yoga do.
All Street Fighter characters utilize chi in their attacks. Some are simply more aware of it than others. They also call it different things based on their background.
Actually the map on that part of the stage only shows North and South America. I noticed there’s another map on the left side but it’s kinda hard to see outside of the victory screens where the angle changes. I managed to see another Shadaloo marker pointing at Japan on that one(assuming it points to Karin’s stage).
Yeah, but I think I know where he’s drawing the line. Cody, Zangief, and Hugo use attacks that are exaggerations of something a regular person could do. However, the basis of Dhalsim’s style, plasma/Hado projectiles, and Bison opening up wormholes rely on ki to even be possible, rather than being ki-enhanced versions of “real” attacks.
