I think that in her early days, she was burning with hatred and wanting to kill Bison, at the undocumented period between her tragedy and joining up with Seth and SIN, she probably quieted it down while working for the organization, but when getting close to Bison in SF4 it fuelled up again and she wanted his head. Him beating her and removing her FSE probably made her think that she can’t kill him personally, so she’ll take the destruction of him and Shadaloo as a satisfying consolation prize.
With regards to her fun. During the undocumented phase and to when we first see her, her sadistic streak and enjoyment of making everyone else probably ran parallel. She probably kept up her intense training and would occasionally hurt sparring partners, that, probably gave her a bit of glee since it was a distraction, and eventually it evolved to something of a shift in power dynamics to possibly something occasionally sexual.
She’s the dark mirror of Chun Li. In the way that Chun Li evolved from wanting to get righteous vengeance on Bison to wanting to do good overall, protect people, raise them up and raise a child and live life to the fullest, Juri, now went from only living for avenging her parents to having fun by injuring whoever bothers her, holding others under her thumb to show her power over them and relishing all sorts of painful adventures.
I think she’s interesting and she’s another character that I’d love to see more of her personality expanded upon. (I’m always saying, I’d love a SF anime or manga series so we could have “filler arcs” where we have quiet moments that really have character development moments and even some “life in the day of” chapters.
It’s going to be pretty hard to sell a story where Akuma kills Gouken because, even if I think the way Daemos puts it makes perfect sense, it’s something that already happened once and I’m not sure if the audience would be able to take it any seriously when they know that Gouken was already killed once until he showed up again one day apparently no longer being dead.
It would feel like rehashing, even if makes the most sense to move the story forward.
Frankly I just think Capcom didn’t put a lot of thought into Juri’s storyline in V. She was in the story because people wanted her and her role was to give a hand in Cammy’s subplot, her opposition to Shadaloo is almost ignored. I guess that Juri being there just for the funsies would fit her character, but even then it’s a waste of potential compared to what her story could have been.
Juri could had got way more screen time in SFV’s story but it is what it is. I actually liked team Juri / Seth in SF4,too bad it didn’t stay. Truth be told ,i think the only character that stood out in the story was Rashid,and idk why they tried to make Karin seem like the boss of the good guy team.
But then i look at the way they treated Necalli in the story, so i can’t complain much !
Agree killing Gouken again is a bad choice… The best way is to make Gouken to be irrelevant to Gouki vision. I hate the thing that Gouki needs to prove himself that he is better than Gouken or Gouki trying to prove to Ryu that his ways is better than his brother. I think it’s time to move on.
I like the Gouki that is more mature in Super Turbo that sets his attention to the most powerful and strong, not someone that lives his life into validation to two persons. I have said this somewhere before I like Gouki more on waiting fot someone that will fight him to the death, Where he become more like Gen. Let Gouki not into Gouken without anything that can destroy Gouken or without pitting against each other. Gouki path shouldn’t about rivalry and validation because that is childish. Gouki is a Ryu with SNH both just seek the strongest while the difference is Ryu is open to learning new stuff while Akuma is just into mastering SNH.
I don’t think Gouken x Pre-Oni Akuma would be a rehash. It’s really inevitable. I just hope it’s handled with grace and style, and that Gouken doesn’t go out in vain.
Well he can’t really, since his return helped set Ryu back on the path of his destiny.
His final defeat would also help establish Akuma as a credible threat again.
Okay. That F.A.N.G Side reader was a very nice read. Any type of story giving a character more depth always proves to be the most interesting. F.A.N.G’s life was something shrouded in mystery, so this gave a better glimpse of his character. Can’t wait for part 2!
Akuma is close mind and has a dogmatic perspectives to SNH. His fully devoted and committed to it.
Akuma could always view Goukens choice as a coward because it doesn’t make him better than he is even though it counter his SNH. Making him view that what Gouken can doesn’t make him as effective against other stronger fighters… Seeing SNH and Mu in a different level of perspective it will gave a whole new understanding.
Make Akuma believe that Gouken’s Mu isn’t capable of destroying and had lack of possibilities against real opponents. So he sees Gouken nothing but a waste potential and his always been better.
I like it that it is Ryu that seeks Akuma to challenge himself, while Akuma doesn’t feel a excitement towards both Gouken and Ryu, or even Bison. This makes Akuma again a great character.
What Akuma should be concern all his life is “discovering” the potential SNH, creating new techniques, improving, enchancing and mastering the variation of his techniques. Waiting for someone he believes to be the true death match.
The quarrelling you guys do aside, that’s an interesting point, with some of the drastic changes to the roster, it makes me wonder how what we got compares with what we were going to get and if it messed with anyone’s plotting. I’d love an indepth behind the scenes look at ASF. I really hope for more behind the scenes details on everything by the end of SF5’s development.
I like your ideal a lot and it sounds possible. However as a fan of Ed, I hope Bison doesn’t get control over him. Also I agree about Marz better have survived her fall since F.A.N.G. managed to live. Rashid honestly needs to hunt him down and finish the job
I doubt that things would have changed much: even if Decapre ended up in the base roster like the devs were theorizing in the very early stages of development (this was back when SFIV was about to get the Ultra expansion and SFV was just a project on paper) Cammy would have been almost guaranteed Season 1 DLC like Guile because a story with a playable Decapre, the Dolls and Shadaloo falls would have made no sense without Cammy.
Also, I’m pretty sure that with most characters, mostly the ones that aren’t really important to the main plot, the story just adapts itself to whoever is in the cast.
A nice behind-the-scenes interview about SFV’s development would be sweet though, no doubts about it.
My idea was for Ed to get possessed and then probably saved by the cast after a climatic final battle. SFV is paving the way for SFIII story-wise, so I don’t see Bison staying relevant story-wise by the end of it, the Illuminati must be allowed to become the only relevant antagonists by that time.
Nothing’s stopping Bison from making a comeback in a theoretical post-SFIII game anyway.
You will get it. And when you will, you will remember the good ol’ days when villains took great pleasure in pummeling you to dust, and then you will come crawling back.
I’m fine with future SF games going back to Bison because he’s as much to Street Fighter as Ryu and Hadokens are, but at the same time Gill and the Illuminati as a storyline have been left hanging for nearly 20 years and it needs to be concluded before we go back to Bison and Shadaloo again.
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I think Ed would end up being a Anti-villain. He’s not evil but his actions would harm our characters or the world causing some conflict. He’ll most likely end up as a “soul jar” for a weakened Bison to inhabit post 3S. The Illuminati will still be villians while Ed/Bison would be secondary villains. Think of it like Alpha 2 where there were two paths: Shadowlaw and Ryu/Sagat/Akuma. Bison will definitely return but under tamer conditions.