I played it back when MvC, KOF, and Third Strike were the only really active games.
What’s that…three years ago?
i still play Alpha2 or ST from time to time
i also love spectating some of the good players (even in games that i don’t play like VS), you could learn a lot just by being a spectating monster
Meh, if folks don’t want to play GGPO it’s fine by me and it’s more than understandable if many people played the game before, but stopped. Many folks are also busy going about their lives too. Just don’t expect a sequel to a game any time soon if you aren’t willing to show that you play the series at all when you have a bit of free time. This is relating more to Vsav than other games on GGPO since CvS3 is the only other major game that people want a sequel for.
I’ll be as old as Anak by the time that happens. :sad:
Holding up five dollars doesn’t mean much in the long run if you aren’t even willing to play an older version. I honestly wouldn’t have a single issue at all regarding the subject if folks actually got on. Normal numbers are about high 20s at best and this is for a game or series that has a six thousand post thread on Capcomunity and a three thousand post thread on SRK.
I liken it to being with a girl for an entire year even though she hasn’t even put out once in an entire year(a month or two is one thing for relationships, but that is ridiculous). Who the hell would want to give her anything?
I wouldn’t even call them a scrub lol. I got frustrated when vets rocked me 20-0 several times over the course of three months, but I’ve come a long way with 5-1 being the average instead(on good days of course). Folks are willing to help each other out a lot and the communication makes it harder to get frustrated when you know your opponent too.
Yeah, I’m not fond of all the AFKs in there. Still, it’s not something to get worked up about. I still manage to play 40+ good games a week which is good enough for me.
When over 7000 requests are made for a sequel(accounting for multiple posts and accounts between Capunity and SRK) and the predecessor can’t garner fifty people then it is pretty lazy. The folks who stuck with Mahvel 2 and kept it alive until Mahvel 3 are commendable, the folks in Japan who still gather up hundred man tournaments yearly for a decade deserve shoutouts, but the folks who ask for a sequel to a game that no one plays even though many have the means(how are these posters making requests on Unity and SRK then?) are meh.
Still, it’s a far cry from labeling them 09’rs, scrubs or whiny little bitches like many around here seem to do. Shit, let’s not even get started on the attitude towards folks who play “anime fighters”.
What about the people who do play it in their free-time: just not on GGPO?
I’d imagine that there are a lot more people out there who fire up certain games like, say, the Vampire series, on their Sega Saturns, Dreamcasts, PlayStation 1 or 2s, or maybe even Superguns and true arcade hardware, without GGPO ever even coming into the equation. God knows how many people are firing it up on WinKawaks or something.
I gotta pretty strong feeling most the people who bought MvC3 weren’t playing MvC2 religiously for the past decade anyway. Heck, the whole basis of SF4’s success was that it was aiming directly at lapsed SF fans, not the people who had stuck with the series even after Capcom abandoned it.
Vampire Savior never really got popular outside of Japan, which I’d imagine is a big part of why it’s GGPO presence is so small. However, I feel that the main reason Vampire Savior never really got popular outside of Japan is because the home console releases of the series outside of Japan were downright pathetic.
The best version of the game for the hardcore audience, Vampire Savior on the Saturn, never got outside Japan. The best version of the game for the casual audience, Vampire Chronicle on the Dreamcast, never got outside Japan either - although we did get a PSP port… ya know, a game that uses six-face buttons on a portable that only has four-face buttons. Yeah. Great job. Then they had the Arcade collection on the PS2, which included V,VH,VS,VS2 and VH2… and even though Capcom had a hard-on at the time for releasing compilations, they didn’t release this compilation outside Japan. All we got was two shoddy PS1 ports, the Saturn middle-child of the series, and a portable time-waster.
The series only shined in Japan because Capcom never gave it an opportunity to shine anywhere else.
Anyway - people have ways to play the game without GGPO factoring into the equation. Don’t forget that.
- I suck at Vampire Saviour.
- i don’t know anyone who plays Vampire Saviour offline.
- It’s hard to train in Vampire saviour.
- Playing with people you don’t know and are faceless is not as personal.
- I suck at Vampire Saviour.
- Jojo’s has such an incredibly steep learning cliff I can’t even fathom playing it.
Lack of regular access to a computer, let alone a properly port forwarded one. But if Final fught Double Impact and my few experiences with a computer are anything to go by its a fantastic piece of software I wish I could use more often. Capcom could make a mint releasing the CPS2 games in a big collection with GGPO. In short: I’d love to, I love GGPO, love the games it supports, just can’t get on the computer.
You people are over analyzing it. To give you a simple direct answer.
- some people don’t have the brains or patience to set up ggpo and port forward.
- The games are dated. Not many people (especiall 09’ers) are going to main and stick with CPS2 games when theres more popular newer stuff that has an offline scene.
Just play whatever you want at your own pace. Christ.
You’re going about this in the wrong way shoult.
I think you should of made this a tutorial thread on how to set up GGPO for the common man, and list out the games it supports.
You should reach out to the community, not attack them.
Maybe make some online events and try to spread it around to garner interest.
Damn… Shoultzilla was right about Vampire being like weight training. I popped in 2012 for the first time(I’ve always hated SFIV since the characters feel like bricks) after not playing AE for months and the game just clicked. Footsies, fireballs, defense, pokes and most of the basic stuff leveled up quite a bit across the board. I am totally gonna play 2012 more often while I wait for SCV, Skullgirls and Extend. Convincing my friends to play it with me may be a bitch though…
Good point
I haven’t forgotten it at all which is why I’ve been pretty reserved in my criticism. I just think it’s bullshit that only .5 percent of folks are on GGPO at all these days while numbers for a sequel keep rising. That is a HUGE difference from five percent. It doesn’t matter much in the end so long as I’m enjoying it.
I’ll also be the last person to judge people harshly since most of my favorite fighting games are “anime” fighters which get little face time and condescending looks in most places I post.
It’s not like this has not been done before. Either way… the scene grew a bit over the last few months which is okay. I just wish there were a way to play higher quality matches against the Japanese. Then GGPO would REALLY get fun.
@ SteelyHawke
And it should be done more, there is always new blood to grab.
Try to take up some students and teach them the game, I’m sure there are players who would like to learn without prior interest in the game.
For the same reason that 95% of gamers just avoided everything after SFII - they just didn’t like those games. I’m generalizing a lot, but VSAV was just never a popular game (compared to others). Neither was 3rd Strike. It seems to me the most popular games on GGPO are KOF '98/02 and ST.
In any case, I play on GGPO, Supercade and ArcLive. The problem is there are only maybe 2 or 3 guys I can play with locally because not many other people are into old games, and the ones who are don’t care much for online play of any kind. I can’t play against international players because the closest players outside my country have a ping of 200ms on a good day. Good netcode can’t solve a problem like that.
My argument presumed that we were talking about good games.
do people just look @ my post then try to pick it apart to disprove what I’m saying? I don’t think many people read it because I continually keep seeing posts like, those games are just too old blah x3
you don’t need to play vsav to solely play vsav, it can be an alternate training regimen to help players step up their game for 99% of fighters out there. Its an alternate way to train and get good.
people who are interested in sf4 and want to get better can play on GGPO and deal with vsav for a bit then go back to sf4 and I guarantee pretty good improvement for any player as long as they make an honest effort. The fundamentals of fighting games are amplified in VS so when you go back to a simpler game like sf4, it feels so much easier to actually play.
and steelyhawke isn’t the first person to comeback and say to me, its probably around 20+ people @ this point to whom I’ve taught this trick to.
lol that was a diss? No, that was a fact of life. If you stop playing a game and quit just because shit got hard, what’s stopping you from acting the same way when the challenges of life start to hit you 100x harder? When you play on ggpo or any game for that matter that you aren’t familiar with, it’s only natural that you lose and get bodied hard. So when I hear that people don’t play because they lose and aren’t good, to me that’s a bullshit excuse.
So for those that said its different in real life. Get real, you should have that “fall, get back up, try again,” type of mIndset in everything you do in life. If you can’t apply this in something as simple and forgiving as a video game.
none of the games I want to play are on GGPO. If I did mess with it again I might play vampire savior (I think that’s on GGPO) but that’s about it
generally I also hate netplay of any kind, GGPO or not. Offline only for me
The fact that it’s not a video game.
Cuz I feel like I’m gonna have to talk to someone. When I play online, I just want to fight a stranger and leave.
Feels like that’d be rude on GGPO, with the chat so readily available and only the two of you in the session… All alone. Playing match after match. Awkward.
Besides, there’s plenty of new games now.
If your wondering, that’s not the case. In fact what I’ve come to love about ggpo is that people will just keep playing for long periods of time. I usually get 20+ games in before I usually stop. Yesterday I went 50+ games with someone without saying a word.
First, @jedpossum. Sorry I didn’t have time to edit in a response last night, was already late:
It’s kind of my point that they aren’t trying it because they’re not motivated to. For a lot of people, the only thing to go by is a bit of Word-of-mouth and maybe some youtube videos. That’s pretty demonstrably not enough to get more people to play the game.
You say people aren’t being dissed for not using GGPO, and then go out of your way to diss them 
If you want people to play, educate and encourage; don’t call everyone who doesn’t play lazy as fuck scrubs. If you want to get more people in there, this kind of rant is not the way to do it.
I’m repeating myself now, but. People play games purely for enjoyment. Part of the enjoyment is improving your skills, but that’s only part of it. Everyone makes the call for their play time differently… and that’s fine because it’s play.
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Seems like your real goal is to just get more people to play VS with you and to convince them that they should.
You should just say that
You should have a pretty clear answer as to why people don’t play now (been listed several times above), now try to figure out how to change peoples minds and make GGPO more accessible to them.