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I actually like that idea that the black hole is the universe trying to fix itself. GGPO
Couldn’t imagine a season without Thawne, those are some big villainous shoes to fill.
If Barry were to suddenly wake up knowing what happened in the alt time line I’d hope the same will apply to Thawne.
I dont think thawne is immune to time travel fuckery per say. It was hunter I thought was immune to it cause he is on a different wavelength
Hmmmm, makes me think back to the conversation Eddie had with Thawne, which was validated by the last season. If Thawne somehow comes back through time travel fuckery, then what he said will be true. That Eddie was a speck of nothing on the time line cop because he offed himself before he could ever be someone and that everything led up to that moment so Iris can get with Barry. It’s like we’re learning how the story has ended, after the ending has already been revealed. Definitely feeling this approach to time travel to see how they are going to lay it all out.
Yup Eddie probably knocked up some other chick behind Iris back and it turns out Thawne already had enough energy stored to go forward in time but made it looked like he died for the next master plan in S2. Also S2 opens up with the 50 minutes of Joker beating Iris to death with a lead pipe but nobody gives enough of a fuck to throw her in a laz pit.
Word, I was reading through rebirth recently, and i think i misunderstood my readings. Ya, zoom can completely remove someone or something from existence due to the negative speed force, unlike the flash, whos changes just simply create more dramatic changes in events, that spin off, where as though zoom can just remove it from existence, and no one, not even the flash would remember it happening.
I couldve sworn the reverse speed force protected reverse flash from time travel paradoxes. I’ll have to go over flashpoint again.
Again, this is all dependent on the reverse speed force, and that hasnt been hinted at existing yet on the show. Maybe hunter will time travel and bring back eobard thawne or some shit, and then eobard will end up creating the reverse speed force, and shit will go down.
i think hunter is the one who has all those abilities you speak of. thawnes power runs diff i think more true to the speedforce…but you may be right.
reverse speed force is just the opposite of the speed force. He only removed Flash’s friend from existence, just that one time that I can think of, without any repercussions.
Ahh. I thought you meant writers can do anything they want that diverges from comics because they’ll still be protected under the “it’s an alternate timeline” defense.
HOLY SHIT, I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING
So all this week ive been rewatching the flash, and in episode 20, wells tells eddie he is his insurance, after eddie suggested this whole situation has been about him. Wells did not mean his insurance as a hostage. I think if wells did succeed, he was betting on eddie to off himself, and if he didnt, also kill eddie, causing the universe to try to fix itself, and essentially bringing wells back one way or another.
Think about it, he literally needed eddie for no reason, but said he was his insurance. Man, im gonna be much sharper in season 2. Totally overlooked that before now.
So if thats the case, than reverse flash planned even his own death and resurrection. Shits gonna go down in season 2.
This is a jimmy exclusive, all other people who copy my ideas, are committing nerd, copyright infringement. lol
What the fuck are you talking about?
I think what he’s TRYING to say is, Wells actually had no legitimate reason to kidnap Eddie. Eddie didn’t know about their connection and no one was going to tell him. Not like he had to be worried about Eddie getting shot by a random bullet either.
The other shit is nonsensical and overly complex (though it would fit with how he tends to run things) but it is curious when you think about it.
So much clearer.
Basically eddie was wells contingency plan, or maybe part of the plan in general. He may have bet on eddie killing himself/dieing by his hands, and that event resetting the timeline because the universe will try to fix itself, which inevitably would bring eobard back, and maybe in a better position than he was in.
Reverse flash was mad that flash didnt stop him in the past, but i dont know, maybe thats just more good acting by reverse flash to get flash to still do inevitably what he wants him to do. There basically has to be a reason wells kidnapped eddie, revealed all these truths to him, up to and including that he doesnt even get iris in the future wells is from. All that manipulation by wells to eddie was likely to serve a purpose.
Eddie shot himself and ended up being the hero, when he may have felt like that was all he had left after RV told him he doesnt get the girl, and is all but forgotten by his future relatives, who were much more prolific than him. I think that choice to break eddie was intentional by reverse flash.
I ignored everything you said because you really do bury your message in a pile of text.
I’m just going to assume what Saitsui said was what you were trying to say all along.
Yup, i just watched it again now, and eddie said hes the hero, and all he ever wanted to be was the hero for iris. Wells broke him in revealing to him that he doesnt get the girl, and is insignificant in the history of the thawnes. This was planned by reverse flash.
For what? You say to fix the timeline so he might get himself in better position?
This theory of yours has one gaping flaw to it. Why the hell wouldn’t Wells just kill Eddie himself after his current plan failed?
I do agree that there must be a better reason as to why Wells kidnapped Eddie, but manipulating him to killing himself is extremely doubtful.
Ya, i dont know, i mean, maybe he didnt kill him immediately afterwards because he was in a fit of rage and focused on the flash, and eddie was suppose to kill himself, not by the hands of the reverse flash.
I mean, i dont know, i thought about it more, and there are easy holes in my theory, but the fact remains is that eddie served a bigger purpose, wells called him his insurance, and wells didnt manipulate him for no reason, considering the end result was a black hole.
Manipulating him to kill himself seems like a stretch, but there was no reason to tell eddie anything (at the time i just assumed it was eobard being a cocky dick), and eddies last words were very much of a feeling of unworthiness, that i think without reverse flash telling him about future iris and barry, and him being a forgotten thawne, he might not have been so quick to off himself to try to end the fight.
In reference to the better position thing, it was kind of a general statement of wells having a bigger plan that would involve repositioning himself back in power to complete whatever said plan was.
This is what we know about eobard from the show, he went back in time to kill barry, and instead killed his mother in the hopes that barry would never become the flash. Barry is the source of the speedforce though, so in killing his mother, he temporarily drained himself of the necessary power needed to travel back through time (this isnt verified, but likely the reason), as the timeline had been disrupted, and barry was no longer on the path to become the flash,so instead he had to create the flash again, and get him faster to open the needed rift for eobard to go back home. Now eobard in the comics first used tech to be fast by amplifying the speed force energy in an old flash uniform, then after being defeated, recreated the process that gave flash his abilities, and was back at it again.
The reverse flash on the show seems to be a combination of that. He charges the suit, and himself through the chair. Maybe this black hole, eddie death shit is to get reverse flash stronger by helping him tap further into the speed force, or inevitably create his own, that way he isnt dependent on barry for the speedforce.
I dont know, im confusing myself because time travel makes no sense anyways. lol. Lemme think about it some more
When Eddie inevitably comes back, it won’t be Eddie, but Thawne/Wells posing as Eddie.
That was his Plan B.
i doubt it. unless everyones minds get erased i dont think they are gonna trust eddie or even the true wells if he somehow gets retconned back into existance. unless they are doing some kinda test.
I can see @jimmy1200 's idea play out if it goes something like this: Eobard knows that (and possibly needs?) Eddie dies at some point, but even the method in which Eddie dies is a mystery to him. So Eobard tried to stage what he read from history books, and if all else fails Eobard would kill Eddie himself. After all, what if Eddie actually did get to propose to Iris and they get married? What if Eobard killing Eddie made Iris not want to be in a relationship for an indefinite time and that ripples into something catastrophic to his plans? I don’t know. Just spit balling.