The first tournament. Are you/do you know one of the people too b**** to enter?

Evo2006…I went with a friend and watched him play most of the time. This was my first Major FG tourney, and at that time I felt too old, and too weak skillwise to compete.

Evo2008…I went by myself, and watched from the side. I still had that nervousness, and was intimidated by alot of people.

After this year seeing a resurgance of the fighting game…I decided that I was gonna bite the bullet, and compete. I would never know how good I am until I could test my mettle against the best.

Evo2009…I went alone, but this time I competed and mingled with the community. My first match was on the big screen. I remember one of the Cannon brothers asking my name, and after spending too much time trying to explain my real name, I gave him my username.

I was using Flowchart Ken tactics against a Blanka. Yipes was adding the extra commentary…it was greatness. I lost BTW, but I still had a blast at Evo. Meeting alot more new people, from newbies to legends of the game.

Damn, I didn’t know people flowchart at EVO.

I wish I could go to tournaments. Where i live there is literally no fight scene or tournaments.
Hell for a month now ive been asking bars, game stores, rec centers if i could host a tournament and its been a no-go.

Its like 7 hours just to get to the H-town and Since im in school I don’t have that time.

That’s just another way of saying you’re scared imo. You can’t go into a tourny thinking like that, that you’re only going to play one match if it’s single elim. or 2 if it’s double. Cause then more likely than not you WILL only play 1 or 2 matches.

And you can always go to a tourny before it starts so you can get to play people as if it was a “big free-play” before the actual official matches start.

I’ve just been to some locals, but my mentality is just to have fun and do your best. I mean, if you know your shit stick with what you know. Be confident in the knowledge and skills you have and what you are able to do or not do on the spot.

You’d be surprised how many random ass players go to Evo. That Fei Long that fought Gootecks that would use random HK or EX chicken wing to deal with every defensive situation was about as flowchart as it got.

Basically a weekend of getting totally wasted, so worth the money, and I may even learn something

Hmmm…I’ve only skimmed a lot of the posts instead of trying to read all of them, but that’s because I’ve wasted a lot of time as it is today.

Anyway, I find interesting that, beyond what LoneDragon has said, most people haven’t seemed to bring up any type of alternative reason for relatively low turn-out for most tournaments beyond “fear” as they (futilely) debate back and forth on why tournaments are best environment or not and blah blah. That’s fine and all, since this is asking for personally accounts or admission of fear. I merely find it interesting that people are ignoring other potential reasons.

Personally, I will that say that fear is a very low factor for me. It’s not nonexistent, but I’m both confidence that I’m decent enough as a player and confident that I won’t win that I would probably still go (not to EVO, most likely, but that’s mostly because it’s in Las Vegas and that place seems like anathema to me, but I digress) if I still thought I could have fun.

There are a Hell of a lot of other factors, though:

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[]Lack of transportation: For me, this one is my own “fault” in that I’ve never wanted to drive, which has only screwed me over when it comes to getting tournaments that are “close by” (or, rather, the closest ones possible), since most of the ones in NorCal or at Golflands and such. And, really, even now, there’s no way hell I’m going to carpool with people that I don’t know. That’s just asking for trouble.
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]Lack of arcades/neutral tournament places: I’m sure this is a lot more relevant that don’t live on either coast. It also seems that increasingly, tournaments are being held at people’s houses, which is understandable but raises the same trust issues for me, so those tournaments out. That leaves arcades that are miles away from, someone who walks everywhere–I have no problem with walking with 7 miles or such, but there are a lot of bridges that you can’t walk across in the Bay Area, so yeah–or has to take the unreliable bus.
[]Lack of time: Similarly, and this is probably most surprising thing that I’ve not seen people bring up even though Lone Dragon touched on it, is that tournaments take up both a lot of time and most of people that go to them have jobs. I mean, unless you’re a hustler, it’s likely that you if you have the constant money to go to tournaments that you’re going to have flexible enough hours to go. Yes, this even applies for weekend tournaments for a lot of people since some people have to go to work on the weekends, shocking I know–I am usually one of those people, though my schedule is probably shittier than most because it isn’t constant AT ALL. Tournaments similarly eat up a lot of time and a lot of that time, as LoneDragon has said, ends up being for nothing even if you do advance; people tend to be impatient creatures.
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]Lack of money: A given what with both the above paragraph and LoneDragon are saying. Tournaments cost money to enter that not everyone can throw around (at least on a constant basis), especially when you factor transportation costs and such. That combined with tournaments being an even more extreme part of an already nonessential hobby that doesn’t really give returns to most anyone and the currently suckass economy makes this an even greater factor (nowadays).
[*]Lack of social skills: I suppose this is somewhat along the lines of the initial fear that’s talked about, though that seems to have been more along the fear of being defeated rather than social awkwardness. Face it, a lot of the people on SRK–myself included–are introverts. While that doesn’t automatically mean that one has to be socially awkward, we’re not the type of people that are usually going to feel comfortable around a lot of loud, competitive strangers. Hell, personally, this is probably a huge reason for me right now since I go through very long periods of not wanting to be around people AT ALL–then again, I’ve been forced to work retail for the past 4+ years, so I’m sure that has multiplied my misanthropy quite a bit.
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There are other problems/lacks, such as lack of competitive drive (I personally lack this most of the time despite enjoying fighting games) or lack of advertising (outside of SRK, what else is there?), but I figure those are increasingly personally and yadda yadda.

All of this talk and I haven’t even been able to play SF4 in the past 6 or 7 months since I don’t have a next-gen console (that isn’t the Wii) and I unhonestly don’t have any real desire to get back into it between the likelihood of an update (“SF4 Dash”) coming out relatively soon and my main, Vega, sucking for absolutely stupid reasons. (“Yes, let’s give him a guard meter that makes him weaker than Gouki without any real possible means of defense or offense! Most excellent!”)

That said, I figure this would apply to any type of tournament that people might want to join (i.e. Blazblue), so that doesn’t really matter.

Regardless, good thread I guess. :tup: :confused:

Nice post TD

I ran my first tournament, although it turned out to be a disaster It was still a great learning experience.

I started regularly attending Majors in the Midwest, I’ve missed a bunch, I still haven’t been to evo, Its been almost 6 years since evo 2004 which I was gonna go to =(.

Although Ive been playing in tournaments for over 4 years now, a few months ago I got the shakes playing a bison at the arcade.

My most memorable match was when my team got 4th at the SBO2008 MWC Qualifiers, but there were only 4 teams =)

Only in the sense I’m going to get real legit before I enter one. Getting my shit crushed at a tourney would set me back too far.

People have been playing SF4 for like, over a fucking decade.

And I’ve been playing Guilty Gear and Soul Calibur… which nobody plays anymore.

Now there’s a local major tournament with lots of big players coming from all over… so why bother? I’ve only been at it for a month. I don’t even have a stick.

It’s not fear, it’s lack of experience. :L

I don’t have a lot of time to get to many tournaments because I work weekends and nights and admittedly, always felt a little nervous about going to one anyways since for the longest time I used a pad (felt like I would be mocked for it). I was giving the opportunity to hold an event at the library where I work at so I selfishly decided to have a SF4 tournament. I thought if i cant make it to any tournaments I can just run one myself and make people come to me and it would also look REALLY good to my bosses if everything went well and we had a lot of attendees.

I felt like such an ass after the first one. 12 people showed up, and expecting at least 20, I set things up for single elim. since I only had 1 set up. Half way through I felt pretty shitty since it was coming to an end and people had only played once so I tried to make it into a double elimination not knowing AT ALL how to run a double elim. tournament. It was sloppy but oh well, I had decent prizes so at least the people who won got some good stuff.

Similar thing happened when I tried to run my second tournament but even less people showed up. We at least got to do round robin so everyone was basically playing at all times.

I don’t think I will ever make it to EVO even just to watch, since I HATE flying and a plane ticket and hotel room isn’t really in my budget, but I can say just playing in my piddly little tournament made me want to get involved, get better, and attend real tournaments even more. Anyone who is scurred to go to one needs to just get it over with. I doubt many people care how poor you perform.

I <3 dj

The Damned…I like how you bring up a lot of the other real factors that keep people from coming to tournaments because they are out there. Like you already knew…I just made this topic cuz I know there are people that have just about everything else squared away but then they’re just scared and that’s lame.

You’re going to get crushed either way. Unless you’re the next J.Wong of fighting gaming your first tournament isn’t going to be a run through of people and making top 3 or 5. You’re more than likely going to go 2 and out or maybe beat a couple people. Unless you’re in a team tournament where you can ride the backs of people who are used to tournament pressure. So basically by the time you get real legit SF6 will be out. :lol:

Getting crushed is what shows you your mistakes that you commonly make against the people on Xbox Live who never exploit them and that’ll make your game that much stronger. The longer you wait to see your weaknesses…the longer you will be a weak player.

So basically…you’re scurred. :lol:

The arguments in question pretty much took those reasons into consideration. It’s highly understandable when you have no transportation or an emergency came up that prevented you from joining. That’s fine. I couldn’t enter any EVO’s after 2004 when they moved to Vegas until last year, only because I had no ride or extra money, not because I was “scurred”.

I know the SRK community had sorta league setup for a while that was IMO cool as shit to follow, but was prolly a nytemare t keep track of. I personally prefer the league idea. I went to Final Round a few years ago. I could beat some of the people on a tourney level, but I lost to someone in the first round. No complaints about the L the guy was better, but my placing didn’t reflect where I reallyshould have ben bbecause all these other guys ALSO lost in the first round. Some kinda L where I get to go against sveral people, and you no longer have the “I main Able and he mains Gief” issues, or that one mistake costing you everything as you have a continual chance to stay in it, as well if you are doing several fights a tourney, you are getting that chance to warm up. But I admit it would be a nightmare from a setup stand point.

As for the OP, I’ve had my cherry popped in a couple games. shrug I don’t do tournies ut of fear, I just know I’m not good enough and don’t have the time and energy to get good enough to make it worth my time. As someone else mentioned its an all day/evening affair for just a few matches. Think of how many matches you could get in on casual in that time frame. Or how much money you could be making working att your job :rofl: One of these days I’ll find my way up to B-more, I hear they run stuff up there from ATN, and maybe I’ll slip into the losers bracket at a tourney up there shrug

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I actually disagree with that sentiment. When you lose a fight - you walk away with something. When you get crushed, you learn nothing. When I was in MvC2 tournies, I’d walk away with information I didn’t know, or figure out stuff I need to ‘figure out’ so to speak. Samething with Tekken 5. I’ve played SF4 enough and am at level that I could lose and walk away with something, but depending on getting crushed…there is a good chacne I’ll just :wtf: the whole thing…I won’t remember anything because I was so overwhelmed…like hte first time you fought a REALLY good Magneto that could “Triangle Jump” or Sentinel…like early on when the game was new. Getting crushed by them wasn’t a demeaning experience but you didnt’ walk away learning anything other than “I need to learn those guys”.

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I was nervous at my first tournament. All I was thinking was damn I have no idea what to do, my execution is horrible, I can’t even perform an ultra motion. Fast forward to today where I’ve been in 5 tournaments and now I sit down next to someone and just think, “I’m gonna get in that ass and show this dude what’s up”. You just have to keep at it. At my first tournament I was getting beat my people who I knew I could normally beat. That doesn’t happen anymore.

Hehe, you sound just like me. You don’t like letting your guard down EVER.

Anyways, I’d say it depends on what you want from the game. If you want to get good then you’ll have to find the means that will allow you to obtain the goals you want.

Many of those issues you raised are really good points, but at the same time. If it means something to you then you’ll easily conquer all those problems. If not then you won’t bother. It’s all a personal choice, and most of those choices can easily fall under fear imo if you are actually aspiring to become good at the game.

I didn’t catch that game, but I heard about it. Lol, pad fei long supposedly almost beat him.