Shoutouts to everyone who ever ditched school/work to play games more.
Plastic, by the way.
this is what I don’t understand, way back in the day it was kinda difficult to see the latest combo and learn a certain technique, now with technology progressing as quick as it is, and so many people figuring things out quicker than ever why are people still bad? Now days we have every tool to get better and people are still in the shitter.
Well it doesn’t sell computer or console parts, but we sure are anal about our monitors and input lag. Hopefully some company will catch on and make a monitor with negative input lag, it just knows what you’re going to do and does it for you
I’ve been playing games since the damn 80’s and fighters since the 90’s, this is just my opinion on this and I’m not great at anything so take it with a huge grain of salt.
Back in the day you had to figure shit out for yourself, and games were damn hard. The good thing about figuring shit out for yourself, you actually understand it. You have to take the time to learn things and put in a ton more effort to do so. It’s brutal, and you may miss somethings, but your skill progresses in a logical manner and the things you do learn you learn well and you also learn the why’s and how’s.
Now, you just go to a website and do a brain dump on all of it. There is not extended learning phase, and you’re not learning the why’s and how’s in a logical time line and piecing things together. You get a massive information overload and a ton of overly complex items but never grasp what’s actually going on or gain any depth into it.
And that’s true of every genre.
Think of it kinda like school. Who’s going to understand a subject better? They guy who read the book and put in hours on his own doing to experiments and learning the theories? Or the guy that stole someone elses notes on the subject and went from there?
I will be quite honest and be real.Fighting games will never ever make money like fps and starcraft .Hell e-sports as whole will never be respected or should ever be taken serious like a game like chess or go.Look ath FGs you see their only real life equivalent is MMA and Boxing two sports that encompass real fighting and realstrategy.To ever think FGs will be taken seriously is an insult to itself.These are meant to be for fun even at the highest level its supposedly for fun.There are no real life consquences to this game you don’t potentially lose an eye some brain cells,a leg or anything like that.
Tech and Evolution
FGs for over the past 20 years have shared the same control scheme and concepts .Nothing has really evolved to that extent in fgs as far as the need for new graphic cards because at our best we play on an arcade machine not on a home computer so the need for increasingly better parts is null in void.FPS and starcraft are played on stand alone computers in large rooms with all the competitors bringing their own set ups .So the money has to weigh as much as the cost of transportation in what not. Nothing will separate the cost of a good pc that I have to put together from a system i can go buy all in one and use my body to play. Not to mention online will be better.With the rise of motion gaming pc gaming will take a hit eventually too.
Why so Serious
E-sports as a whole take themselves way too seriously they try to push themselves as a legitimate sport you can make money off of .That is a not a good idea real athletes and casual folks will never ever allow you to equate the skill of diago to a Jon Jones or Rashaad Evans.Because at the end of a match diago can press restart.At the end of real fight Somebody will have to get some cuts stitched and some xrays done.Folks trying to make video gaming into sometype of pro league style shit are idiots you wanna see some shit die fast look at skateboarding when everybody wanted to be pro it died at the end of the 80s all the pros either disappeared or learned a new type of skating only a few truly adapted .SKateboarding was all about getting sponsored winning comps to the point shit got out of control and they shot themselves in the foot.Trust me folks yall dont want the pro or die mentality shit will end our world so fast you would be shocked.
As someone who played a lot of FPS games you surely do not bring your own computer. That’s not how it works at all. The computers and most equipment will be provided by sponsors. To whit, you’re probably going to be on a computer using an intel CPU, an nvidia GPU, an ASUS motherboard, a creative sound card, and a monitor by whoever is trying to sling low response monitors at that moment (and it’s rarely ASUS). They will all be decked out exactly the same. Your mouse, keyboard, mouse pad and audio is typically left to you and it’s on you to bring whatever drivers you will need. If you don’t they’ll have something for you and it will probably be pretty good. If you’re sponsored your input devices are going to be dictated by whomever is paying you to use their equipment, if you didn’t bring yours it’s going to be whoever paid to have their gear at the event.
And that’s where the sponsorship really ships in. If intel is sponsoring the event you can bet your ass you won’t be on an AMD CPU, and if nvidia is there you aren’t going to see an AMD video card, that’s that.
I’ll note that it’s not uncommon to have a game in an event that intel and nvidia paid to help develop with their logos all over the game, the event sponsored by them and using their hardware, and most of the main teams sponsored by them and wearing their logo. It’s all about branding.
Also PC’s have motion gaming, and have had it for longer than consoles. It’s just a side issue though.
After seeing this thread, I notice some people talking about the King of Chinatown movie, but I was not too familiar with what it was about.
Just finished watching it, good stuff. Didn’t think the organization was ran like that! :eek:
My 2 cents on this thread: People are way too damn serious. It’s good to be focused, ambitious, and not take what ever goals in mind lightly, but at the same time hobbies and lifestyles that are surrounded by niche interests can only go so far. Especially fighting games. It’s like any other niche interest, a few will have it good while everyone else is S.O.L. People can say what ever to justify that the industry makes a killing and top players are doing good, but again, that’s not everyone that goes down that road. For everyone else, it’s still doing a 9-5, still making ends meet, and still not in the same level of industry support to the few top players.
I can see similarities in other niche interests that I have and unless the masses, the same masses that watch NFL on sundays, or Dancing with the Stars, etc, decides to start picking up TE sticks, this fighting game area of the industry won’t be anywhere big that people seem to think it is.
Bottom line for what my opinion is on this, is that, you can’t chew on something you can’t swallow and you have to look at the big picture to see that this industry is still not big enough to start shit like an “Empire.” Unless you are 4 years old and also go into flying ninjas in your fort made out of sofa cushions.
E sports is totally legit and its getting big in USA thanks to starcraft 2. The MLG live stream views total in the millions now. With that kind of viewership, companies are going to want to jump on board and buy advertising spots. This is a good thing. Its about time video games became accepted into mainstream society. A lot of these games (minus shitty ones like WOW) require a lot of discipline, strategy, tactics, and dexterity to get good at. Its time that the top players get recognized and can make a living off their passion. Now with revenue from individual sponsorships, salaries from pro gaming teams, streaming, as well as coaching lessons, these players can finally treat their hobby as a full time job. Sweet!
Just take a look at Korea. The top players are all on teams with lots of sponsors, making huge six figure contracts. Their games are televised. Brood War has its own dedicated channels on TV, and gamers appear in billboards and advertisements. Turnouts for these events fill entire stadiums, and include actual females. Who all want to bone these guys. This is a great thing. Starcraft2 is not as popular in Korea (but their main tournament, EACH MONTH, pays out 90k US dollars for first place). Its ok though, because Star2 is making huge strides elsewhere in the world. It will be a happy day if and when gaming gets as popular as poker or MMA did in the USA.
Articles like this make me smile:
As a guy who doesn’t give a shit about sports like football, baseball, and etc, and doesn’t care to get into it so I can talk to a bunch of jocks, I’m glad to find hobbies I do care about getting popular.
Video game is not a sport. It never was, and it never will be. ‘e-sports’ is a term only used by select population of gamers. Same with poker, it’s a competitive game with high stakes, but it’s not a sport. ‘Competitive gaming’ has nowhere near the amount of mental and physical stress and dedication required by sports at competitive levels (and even non-competitive levels).
What I hate the most about people equating playing video games to competing in sports is that the barrier of entry is extremely low for competitive gaming when compared to sports. One cannot just declare that he is a competitive marathon runner, a competitive martial artist, a competitive American football player, etc. on a whim - it takes months and years of mental, physical and lifestyle dedication to achieve that state of being. On the other hand, any bum capable of pressing buttons can decide to pick up a stick or a controller and sign up at a tourney and call himself a ‘competitive gamer’.
I believe you are only as good as the people you play with. honestly I dont have too many people to really practice with, so I have to figure things out for myself. The thing is now, is that gaming used to be a lot more fun than it has become. I remember I beat someone and they were sooooo upset, just talkin out the side of their neck, and I am like “seriously? It is just a game”. Like the attitudes people have in the scene now are quite terrible. I mean seriously, who tries to get buck over a video game?
i never liked the fact that these companies i never heard of came in and sponsored players. dont get me wrong im happy for the individual players especially Yipes,Justin and the other EC players and i hope they are getting the most out of their deals with their sponsorships but some of these sponsors didnt give a fuck about the scene or the skill levels of these players within it until SF4. which means the existing places did not have their shit together if someone else can just swoop in and start pumping on someone else’s block
I honestly thought in late 08’ that the EMP stable was going to have the best talent in the US and that they were gonna steam roll but it didnt go that way. i hope they rebuild bigger and smarter
i would of loved to see the already existing companies like EMP benefit from this boom as they’ve been around since the dark ages so to speak. Its a missed opportunity and i hope whatever mistakes are not repeated when this shit blows up again. cuz capcom WILL disappear again when this shit dies down so you gotta get the most out of it when its here
All it comes down to is definition whoring. When does an activity require enough physical/mental stress to become a sport? There isn’t exactly a standardized guideline. Is it even an intrinsic quality of the word, or is it not always the case and should be interpreted loosely? In the end sports are no different from any other game, it’s just some activity with a winning goal and arbitrary rules to limit the actions of its participants.
This is an illogical argument. The barrier of entry is high for sports because they’re extremely popular, and there are hundreds of thousands of people trying to make it. If any non-physically strenuous activity had the same popularity and competitiveness, there would be people dedicating the exact same amounts of time. Just look at Korean brood wars pros.
This is fucking moronic dude, come on you’re a better thinker than this.
So basically anything can be a sport huh?
Starcraft and Korea are very much an exceptional situation, that’s a fluke not what’s happening in general.
I have nothing against competitive gaming. However a lot of people seem to think that their are legions of companies out there that are willing to pay them to play the game they love. That’s not the case, there are some companies out there who are willing to pay you to play games that will help them sell things and make money.
And that’s the destructive side of all this. People see massive Starcraft or massive Counter Strike events and think “well golly gee, someone will pay me to play my favorite game” which isn’t how it works. If you want to be serious about it you need to play the games they are willing to pay you to play, nobody is going to just pay you to play your favorite stuff.
On the PC side of things at least people quit what they are playing and often go play games that they don’t even like because that’s where the money is. That happened from SC, to WC3, to SC2, people playing shit they don’t like because that’s where the cash is. Or in the 1v1 FPS scene, from Quake, to UT, to Quake, to PK, back to Quake, even though most of them didn’t even like what the game was at the time. PK was famously hilarious because everybody hated it.
That’s what you have to do to make it work most times. Unless you live in Korea… in which case you must play Starcraft lol.
I don’t know what you people are talking about. I regularly walk into meetings with a Powerpad and a Super Scope 6 and walk out with millions.
That’s why there is an “e” in front of it. There is no physical aspect of the training required, except dexterity, but you are clueless if you think it does not require mental fortitude, discipline, and dedication. We’re not talking about bums pressing buttons on a stick signing up for a tourney, we are talking about the highest levels of competition. You think you can be as good as Justin Wong without years of training? You are an idiot who is full of shit. By all means, show up at evo and show everyone how easy it is.