Tier discussion stuffs for the WO games is an interesting subject.
I still need to play WO3.
About the C āinterest numbersā its an indicator of a certain move in a characterās movelist i.e C4 or C3-2.
All Dynasty Warriors characters have 6 normal moves and 6 charge moves. Each normal attack is read as N1, N2, etc. while each charge attack is read as C1, C2, C3, etc. Each DW character also has an extra charge move known as an EX attack. The place of this move varies from character to character. So say that I was talking about Xiahou Dunās EX attack: C3-2. You would read it as the third charge attack in his move list and pressing Y / Triangle after the charge attack.
But what about a Samurai Warriors character? SW move lists are more varied as the characters are split into three categories: Normal, Charge and Special.
*Normal movesets have 12 normal attacks and 9 charge attacks, all one string. Examples of characters with this are Mitsuhide Akechi, Kai and Kenshin Uesugi.
*Charge movesets have 8 normal attacks and 4 charge attacks, each charge attack with 3 strings. Thereās also a 5th charge attack, though itās only one string. Examples of characters with this are Keiji Maeda, Yukimura Sanada and Tadakatsu Honda.
*Special movesets have 8 normal attacks and 4 charge attacks, each charge attack with 2 strings. The advantage of this moveset, stronger versions of special abilities, was cut from WO. Thereās also a 5th charge attack, though itās only one string. Examples of characters with this are Sakon Shima, Nobunaga Oda, and Shingen Takeda.
Letās use Keiji Maeda as an example. He has the charge moveset so you would see an attack labeled C3-3. You would read this as his third charge attack and the third string of that charge attack.
That depends. Whoās in your cell?
Yeah, Technique is pretty ass in this game. Power characters get invincibility while attacking (though they can still get injured), Speed characters get double dash and evade, and Wonder characters get a shadow dash that causes guard break. Technique getsā¦a sidestep while blocking.
Wow I seriously did get Kunoichi and Nene mixed up again. Lol I fail
The tiers are based on the characteristics of the characters movesets (effectiveness and amount of crowd clearers, usefulness of moves, strength of moves, etc.) and how well said character would do in a solo chaos run. That includes perks from items and weapons.
Best in the game is Kaguya. No contest.
I seeā¦Iād like to try some solo chaos runs after I unlock everyone.
Something like this:
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Need to find a good stage with lots of peons/soldiers.
Right now trying to find a nice setup for Guo Huaiā¦
Cool thanks for the detailed explanation. i figured the C is Charge, but once is saw stuff like C3-3 i was like āwutā.
Well the characters I asked about in the last post are pretty much my 2 main teams (Kunoichi/Himiko/Zhange He and Noh/Nemea/Masamune).
Seems Himiko is the only decent one XD
Lol good to know that I wasnt wrong, thereās the ācritical hitā thing too but it didnt seem significant or anything worth noting. Oh wellā¦
Yeah i kept getting mad seeing characters Iām interested in using/leveling then I notice theyre technique and I just go āLol nope, nextā. Sadly Himiko and Nemea still slipped through coz theyre too damn fun >__<
haha, so Nene was the one that was OP as fuck?
interestingā¦ i was gonna use her so I can have 2 cute Ninjas on my team then i saw her as Technique and changed my mind >.>
Where does Kunoichi stand then?
IMO Masamune sucks in this one. But thatās me comparing him to his actually decent WO2 version. Being technique now instead of speed has fucked him over (I think he was speed in WO2?). His specials now cost meter and he canāt JC his charge moves since heās no longer speed.
EDIT: Kunoichi being speed now is great because she can air dash, JC her moves, etc. But then you realize she needs power because she canāt finish her strings at all in harder peon filled levels. Even some of the lower/mid levels itās pretty hard (At least when I first played her in a early mission it was pretty fucking dumb how she couldnāt even hold her own.)
Zhang He canāt be C-tier, heās got too much juggle potential and natural evasion in his strings for that, I believe.
All Zhang He needs really is C6 and C3 IIRC.
Anyone still playing DW7 Conquest mode? I need some people to play with on it :3
No the one that was broken was Kunoichi. I just thought Kunoichi was made Technique and Nene speed but I got those mixed up. but for this game Nene is definitely given the way to go if you were to choose between the two.
Again this is just opinion. That is where** I** think he belongs, but others may rank him higher or even lower.
Any feedback is gladly welcomed.
Shin Oni already covered what I like about him. In addition, he has just enough range on his claws to avoid getting counter-hit to shit.
HOwās Tokugawa? Remeber his Specials in WO1 and his Blast were fucking mean as hell, nothing beat one shotting officiers.
Which other chars from WO2 got class changes in WO3?
Critical Hit doesnāt add extra damage to airborne enemies (via Charge Attacks or Enhanced Strikes) for Technique Chars in WO3, like it did in previous games?
More or less everybody from WO2 except for like 8-9 characters were given a class change. Iāll have to go play WO2 again to see exactly who.
This is a thread I can call home. Been playing the Warrirorsā series since DW3. Iām currently wrapping up Legend mode and those stupid Friendship Lines for DW7:XL. Next up WO3 on my 360.
Some that I rememberā¦
Gan Ning: WO2 Speed > WO3 Power
Masamune Date: WO2 Speed > WO3 Technique
Nohime: WO2 Speed > WO3 Wonder
Nu Wa: WO2 Speed > WO3 Power (she really needed this shit)
Sun Quan: WO2 Technique > WO3 Power (I think heās power now)
Zhang He: WO2 Speed > WO3 Wonder
Kunoichi: WO2 Power > WO3 Speed
YukimuraL WO2 Technique > WO3 Speed
Zhen Ji: WO2 Speed > WO3 Wonder
Thanks for the responses, guys.
I did a bit of searching on the subject afterwards, which led me to here:
http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/6869430/1/
My reaction(s) after reading through the listing of characters in each class: :eek: :wtf:
Iām a bit interested in hearing some thoughts/opinions on how these chars turned out in WO3 from their WO2 versions with the new class changes in effect, if anyone here has some experience with them:
class change stuff
Spoiler
Power:
Nu Wa - Apparently, sheās the only female char in this category now? Her class change from SPD to PWR sounds interesting.
Speed:
Yukimura - His R1 attack as a TEC char was quite strong against officers.
Hanzo - His C4-EX and Counter Strike as a TEC char were pretty good.
Yue Ying - Her R1 attack with the orb as a TEC char had potential against officers, even though it cost Musou.
Da Ji - Her C1 and R1 as a TEC char were good, IIRC.
Xing Cai - Is she still the same?
Technique:
Ina - TEC might be a better fit than her SPD version?
Nene - I think you could use the startup of her R1 (shadow clones), when she was a SPD char, for extending combos?
Mitsuhide - He had good combo potential as a SPD character, IIRC.
Ginchiyo - I canāt imagine her as anything but a PWR char, lol.
Wonder:
Aya - Interested in her gameplay style.
Sanzang - Interested in her gameplay style.
So apparentlyā¦Guo Huai is close to garbage in WO3.
I cannot allow this.
Ginchiyo not being power bothers me now also because she canāt powerhouse through anything wirh her great S and Charge Strings. Sheās still good but power made her pretty retarded
again, Nu Wa needed power because her moveset is ass at clearing crowds along with being too fast to even hit a single target constantly. She got knocked out of her strings almost all the time. Being power now makes up for one of her biggest faults playing her. Sheās still meh though.
Hanzo being speed isnāt that great either. Just like Kunoichi, he gets knocked out of things before getting to his C4 and during C4. Though I havenāt worked on him a all and put stuff on a weapon so I canāt really say much.
Xing Cai being speed is fine because she breaks attacks already with her shield. She can easily combo now with Jump canceling, gets her C4 EX powerup also. IMO sheās better than her past WO versions if just for the fact her shield randomly stops enemy attack strings.
I miss speed Mitsuhide. You could juggle people for days with his strings and Jump cancel and his specials cost no meter. Still ok though.
IMO Yukimura being speed was a silly move because now he can just JC his already good Charge moves and keep it moving. Plus his special is still good.
Da Ji I believe has better hitboxes on her attack string which helps a lot. Sheās still meh though.
Aya is like Kenshin where sheās pretty boring/shitty at low level but once you get her full attack string/charge moves, sheās pretty decent. Plus she has a healing special which IIRC once it starts, you canāt hit her out of it.