true, but thats what this thread is about: “should DHC glitch be removed”
answer? YES.
i feel for x-23, shes one of the few characters that i dont feel is broken with it. but the fact remains that that fucker mags and to a lesser extent storm can both START DHC trick. on storm its not so bad since she isnt magneto tier. but giving it to magneto or “allowing him to have it” is stupid. of course a good or top or broken character can get better. what if phoenix only needed 3 levels to become dph? by the logic that you posted it wont change things since shes already a broken/top character.
STUPID CHARACTERS CAN BECOME MORE STUPID. magneto being able to start a 100% for only 2 meters is a big difference from being able to do it for 3.
if a team has 3 or more bars almost every character in the game can 100%…(or come damn close to it) but then they LOSE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AGAIN CAUSE THEY USED ALL THERE METER. its not like mags is going to combo into a LVL 3 everytime he hits someone with a c.L
but with dhc glitch, because of the little amounts of meter needed, HE CAN.
really its just simple math and logic, even if the glitching character dies hes made his team better cause he was able to kill for less meter (assuming he didnt get perfected) im sorry but i dont like dying to high low mixup from 100% and then my incoming character dying the same way cause the original combo that killed the first character takes little meter.
the game was balanced more or less on meter usage and glitch throws that out of wack.
X-23 is just going to have to take one for the team.
You didn’t understand my point at all… I said the fact that top tiers like Magneto and such could start the DLC is what makes it broken !!
Let me give you this example:
Team #A … Team #B
X-23… VS … Magneto
Wesker… … Wesker
AnybodyX… … AnybodyX
Case #1 :With the DLC glitch for both X-23 and Magneto as starters, team B is superior because freakin Magneto >>>>>>> X-23
Case #2: Now, with the DLC glitch only possible for X-23 as starter and Magneto cannot do it, team A is closer in strenght to team B !! Agreed or not ?! Of course YESS
The DLC glitch is broken because Freakin Magneto can use to own everyone for free. With this trick, he is even more powerful now than he was before the glitch discovered… I’m more afraid of Magneto in this game than I was in MVC2… O_o
Change that ‘when’ to an ‘if’ and ‘will’ to ‘may’ and we’re all good. It’s not a sure thing that it’s going to be removed and even if it is whether or not its removal truly cripples a team will depend on that teams other options.
i do agree with that one though. i think if nobody could do the DHC glitch it would definatly increase the amount of unique combinations of teams that get seen. It kinda forces you to get creative with your combos etc instead of just relying on the brain dead 1hit>DHC glitch>dead character.
any character that needs the DHC glitch to be viable/used needs some serious work.
no one realizes that if its removed, the top tiers that every complain about will still be top. dante mags and wesker dont need it to destroy everyone else. if it gets removed, its only gonna hurt the lower tiers, meaning you see less of them, meaning the same scrubs complaining now will still get wrecked by the top tiers, because they can still instakill while dhc glitchless x23, storm, thor etc cant.
cant you just leave well enough alone? i like seeing 90% of the cast being played competitively.
It gets nerfed? Whatever, it was going to happen anyway, get to work on finding the new broken tier.
It’s not that hard to learn or unlearn things, and it’s not like learning to play X-23 means you are forever banned from learning other female characters :looney:
^this is happening more and more to my Storm. Ppl will snap her in and single her out as bad as Jean Grey lately.
I think for now a strong concept for a team could include a DHC ‘glitch’ setup as well as a 3rd teammate who adds to the overall synergy of the team regardless of the DHC glitch potential.
An example would be something like a Wesker/Storm/Dorma team.
IDK Dormas true potential with the other 2, its just an example.
Or it would be nice to have a DHC glitch setup and a GTFO assist or a lockdown assist to help get you into your combos, weither they be ‘Glitched’ or not, but for now… definetly ‘Glitched’.
Agreed except what i believe the naysayers are trying to get across is that the DHC glitch makes it so that you 100% the character without the AE to begin with. What I’m saying is if u can touch of death a character by doing a combo with storm that glitches into wesker, why bother starting wesker, tagging storm and then do the glitch? One works 100% of the time and one doesn’t. I think that is what kamatidragon or whatever was trying to say.
In my case my storm execution sucks and that is why I start wesker and use the tag exchange in my strategy. But hell, if I was good with storm I’d just use her combos directly to set up the glitch
Wesker’s standard BNB, (the one with :qcf:+:l: and the relift into wall bounce) does not build 2 meters. It ALMOST does, except that you have to aerial exchange a little bit before. But that point is moot. If you Aerial exchange left or right, you add an additional half meter to that. So lets say your opponent is countering if you press down, and you are ready for that so u exchange left, ok so u build another half a meter, giving you roughly 2 and a half meters. you air:s: with storm, go into dhc glitch back to wesker. The best you can do with wesker without using bar for phantom dance is :df:+:h: (OTG) cr:m: :h: :qcf:+:l: :df:+:h: (OTG) cr:m: :h: :s: super jump :h:
At this point you are saying to exchange back into Storm so I have not added the air :s:. Additionally you cannot use ghost butterfly because u have already used up your wall bounce in the first part of your combo.
The wesker post glitch combo I’ve put up nets you 80% of a bar, add that to the remaining half meter u had from the beginning as well as the other 50% meter you will get from a successful storm exchange, you are still short 20% meter necessary to glitch back into wesker.
I’ve just tested this in training mode right now. I can do a video if you want me to show the meter gain although i think it would be moot as we both agree on the same principles here.
aerial exchanges are definitely worth taking a chance on but if you can just straight 100% a character without the use of it, why use it? (aside from secondary goals like more meter for next character, or better positioning for next character etc)
Well, you’re putting your Storm at risk. Wesker can create combo opportunities and if he gets hit, he can go right back to what he was doing. On my team, which consists of Wesker/Storm/Amaterasu, the game doesn’t end when Wesker dies, I can continue the madness with Amaterasu. If both Wesker/Amaterasu dies, then Storm in mid or endgame has XF3 Hail Storm. The synergy in this team is redonculous. Even if there wasn’t a glitch to work with.
Thats just it. Its much easier to start a combo with wesker than with storm.
Plus you can relaunch with wesker giving you more damage and some potential mixup as to when your going to AE
@kensanity - but what it all boils down to is, your opponent, and can you guarantee that they’ll tech a certain way? They can’t. The meter thing isn’t an issue because you will be fighting and gaining meter regardless. You’ll also have an opportunity to do the down one at one point in the combo (due to the mixup)
because I haven’t found any other 100’s that go with Wesker, other than the one I do with Jill. The problem with that one is that it’s 2 hit confirms and Jill can get into trouble trying to get inside.
Here’s a video of me doing it in a tournament btw, but on this one my timing gets thrown off and I keep dropping the combo. Earlier that night and earlier that day I wasn’t dropping it, go figure. I am on Player 2 side and my friend plays Wolvie/Dante
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I use the exact same team and same lineup. And for the record i use the aerial exchange all the time because my storm game sucks and she takes a shitload of damage.
Team question there, when wesker dies, how do u safely get ame out? hail storm dhc into veil of mist? anyway shouldn’t be so complicated but i’m thinking about switcthing to wesker/ame/storm, because the veil of mist into rhino charge dhc glitch allows for some really fancy looking follow ups. Only problem with that change is that you can’t just use an aerial exchange to get an automatic dhc glitch combo, u need some kind of effective throw reset.
I agree, I stated this somewhere else before but wesker’s relaunch and reset options make him a very versatile character and in tournament settings, getting that aerial exchange really catches people off guard because they expect you to go for resets and relaunches instead of Ae’s into dhc glitch.
Yeah I mean Dormammu is starting to get so good as a character without being able to DHC reset. He gives a good bit of the characters that can start or follow it up some real trouble just out of matchup factors. The fact that he blows up Phoenix pretty nice also means no matter how good the DHC glitch gets Dorm is always gonna be on teams.
