The Current State of the World thread

I’ve seen that video too. And everybody seems to think everything he says is 100% true. His mentality is a libertarian mentality. I agree with him on many things, but the main reason for the situation of the economy isn’t printing too much money. It’s that the banks and investment firms have manipulated the system which caused the economy to crash, and then received even more money to bail them out. The cause was the crisis of 2008, and all of the lack of regulation of the banks/investment firms and manipulation and siphoning of money from the economy which has been going on ever since the Reagan era. It’s been happening and there’s been warnings of it’s danger to the economy and people (some in office) who have tried to stop it, but the politicians in charge have vested interests. So nothing has been done, and the criminals have gotten away with it (thus far).

Problem = not enough regulation of banks and investment firms
Problem = money is more powerful than the vote of the people in the political system

All other problems lead back to those.

I… I thought the Right Wing wanted the FED.

yea I got the problem stemming back to Reagan and pretty much not been dealt with since (yay american laziness) and I do see his side of things. But I also wasn’t agreeing with the printing too much money being the main problem. Where it’s going towards is definitely a problem and constantly trying to ignore the problem by not confronting it is not helping at all. So now everyone’s at this complete staredown and nobody wants to take the blame.

Part of the problem with dude’s video is that he’s attributing damned near everything to the printing of paper currency. The inflation is definitely a result of that, but I wouldn’t say that the rest is.

I agree with a lot of what he says, but some things need to be clarified.

I dunno if printing paper currency is necessarily the problem in itself. It not being backed by any standard at all and being printed by a private organization with no real accountability or checks in place to keep them from going crazy with it is, though.

You have to admit that the FED needs major restructuring. There mere fact that its a private institution, and is run by the same dirt bags that shafted hard run the FED.

However, ive always speculated

what if the FED failed? Would it really hurt the country? Its a private bank, not a national bank. Couldn’t the US be like haha, we use our bank now?

Im going to assume that it wont work like that because im missing something.

When people say smaller government, does that include shrinking the education, DOT, and other essential regulatory services?

I don’t have a single shred of faith that key organizations like that would be run better at a state level, simply because the “people” of said state don’t think its a priority. I certainly don’t find it ok that the possibility of young kids being fed the bullshit that creationism is the only way to go.

Good things happen at the small level, but the possibility of a shit storm happening increase by a lot when its really easy to change things on a knee jerk basis, which is what will happen with the amount of retards who stick thier foot where it doesn’t belong.

I apologize in advance if you were joking…

This is the political spectrum

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Left, Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Right

left= marxist, communist, socialist, government is in charge
liberal= open-minded, more government
moderate= democrats (maybe a tiny bit liberal), and lazy uninformed ppl, no strong opinion either way
conservative= republicans, less government
right= military, nazi, facist, military is in charge

Libertarians are definitely not liberal or left wing, so I would say they’re conservative but they go off on their own tangent, like a Z axis to the political number line. Libertarians want to shrink every part of the government, even the military which is why they differ from other conservatives. Definitely on the right side.

Mostly in America’s political spectrum, we only see from slightly liberal - to halfway between conservative and right.

Just wanted to try and explain a little better. Even though I’m not the most knowledgeable on the subject (like I don’t know every party’s complete agenda). Some people say that the political spectrum makes a circle with left and right wing being almost the same.

Helps to think of it as less of a spectrum and more of a map. Those categories you mentioned don’t have much of a linear relationship, and you’d have to make lots of exceptions in terms of economics, social issues, foreign policy, etc. to get them to fall right in line with one another.

No…that’s the current administration’s idea of “controlling spending”. They think it means, “continue to spend like idiots on social programs (they want to do another useless stimulus, btw), and cut the funding of necessary programs (like you mentioned) like a motherfucker”. Smaller government basically means less hoops to jump through for the average person, less extra fees to pay for the average person to do this and that, and fewer paper-pusher middle-men. You know how we suddenly need “czars*” and new (bumbling, over-staffed, overpaid and less efficient) agencies for damn near everything that didn’t need it before, because it was part of the responsibility of an already existing agency? That. Less of that bull.

*same as a ruler, Duke or lord/overlord: a person appointed by the ruling class as an extension of the will of the rulers, to act upon the people on the behalf of said rulers (usually not favorably). I don’t know why people reacted to the word’s geographic origin rather than what it meant/signified…

Actually where you are is not a bar, it’s a GRID.

There are different scales, it comes down to both economic and social scales.

No, that’s not what they mean. At least I don’t think so. I think a ton of people have been fed this myth that the government is a chimaera of waste and the only way to get control of things is to cut the “waste”. But hardly any one has any definition of what “waste” really is.

That exact idea is a corner stone of the tea party. If you ask any tea partiers what should be cut from the government, the answer will be waste, but hardly any one can quantify what that means. Matt Tiebbi or wrote a great article about the thought process of some of those people. The thought process is like ignorance combined with the idea that they know what to do to fix problems they don’t even understand and the solution is always “Cut waste” with no direction of thought given to what waste actually is. It’s bullshit. People that claim we just need to cut wasteful spending most likely don’t even know what the majority of the country’s money goes to.

Now, those same people seem to think the solution to some of our problems are to let the state government deal with things rather than at the federal level. I guess because states don’t have any “waste”. It’s stupid.

It’s not so much waste it’s that they want it controlled by private institutions. The hard right economic is essentially that as soon as the government gets involved with it private business is forced out and can’t compete, and that this is an intrusion of the state into contract and private rights and thus tyranny. This goes well with the populist right often for social and cultural reasons. The problem is that we’ve been there, and the consequences are horrid. Here are just some of their goals.

Get rid of the Department of Education. The corporations would like all of this privatized so they can make a buck on it, they’d also like to kill off the teachers unions which are democratic voting blocks. This would essentially fuck over everyone who doesn’t have the cash to send their kid to one of the top private schools. The side benefit for the right is that you get to go to the Goldman Sachs School (and learn all about free markets!), and the social conservatives don’t have to send their kids to schools that teach evolution, that being gay is biological, and there will be no sex education or any of that pesky environmental science.

Get rid of the EPA. Corporations obviously want the EPA gone because the EPA fines them millions of dollars for toxic dumping and helps people win lawsuits against them. Social conservatives and populists just want to be able to flush anti-freeze down their lawns and not worry about fuel emissions on their cars, with a side bit of “if we just drill for oil everywhere it will be cheaper”.

End the FED. The FED is responsible for making sure our economy has some liquidity. The rich hate that because the FED will devalue money to prevent hundreds of thousands of people from landing in the streets starving. Plus they want to go back to private individuals being able to print their own gold backed money. Back in the day if you worked for Sony Sony would give you Sony dollars. The problem was you could only spend them at the Sony store, the Microsoft store only took Microsoft dollars, so the company got all the money it paid it’s own people back in sales. Great for corporations, but you’re fucked if your not one.

End unemployment/the minimum wage/medicaid. This is an odd one because there is a lot of truth in that college grads will sit on unemployment for absurd amounts of time because they think they are too good for the jobs that are out there. But what the corporations want is to pay us the same wages as the Chinese get to increase profit, and without any unemployment insurance people will take those jobs and no minimum wage will let them pay you a buck an hour.

End Social Security. This one is a bit testier but make no mistake if you make over 250k a year you want that shit gone. It helps people on the lower end of the economic scale and prevents seniors for dieing off in the streets. But the thing is it’s a massive amount of money, and if it didn’t exist people would be forced to gamble all that cash on the stock market and values would go through the roof. If you’re rich you get out of paying for something you have no intention of using and your investments get to gamble with a few hundred billion more bucks, if you’re not rich you’re fucked though.

Waste isn’t really the problem. The issue is that the right never wanted the new deal, never wanted any sort of worker protections (they are pushing for 7 day work weeks and 12 hour days as well), and has never accepted any of this. And while this exclusively helps the rich, the social conservatives are onboard with it as it will force people into the church for a social safety net and their education.

But don’t make the mistake that waste has fuck all to do with any of it.

NY Times is suing the government to explain the Patriot Act lol

If they were really after waste, the military would be the obvious prime target. Tons of high-dollar private contracts, no effective spending oversight to speak of, deeply-ingrained culture of secrecy, and so on…

Repubs are the ultimate trolls; “We have to cut spending…but not a penny from the military budget will be touched even though that’s where most of it goes”:rofl:

The biggest problem facing the U.S. is how so many people want lower taxes but aren’t willing to relinquish quality public services, people just don’t understand you can’t have your cake and eat it too. The worst part is how most politicians try to cater to the public’s retarded beliefs instead of admitting the hard truth. Sure Obama’s fucked up and has a less than stellar record thus far but at least he’s one of the few who have tried to tell the public that they can’t always have it both ways.

Has anyone ever heard of John Perkins? He seems like an interesting person, and has some important things to say.

Here’s some interviews, they’re really good to listen to if you care about what’s going on the world. Like who is in power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43f0F97HDM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CofEbxtIxI&feature=like-suggest&list=UL

Things are so wrong. We need change badly…

kinda wrong, military waste got us the radar, nukes, and the computer, not to mention darpanet/internet, that’s not the problem at all.

You’re talking legitimate expenditures. I’m talking retarded shit like providing refreshments for conferences at $16 per muffin without batting an eye, wasting ammunition for shits and giggles, essentially paying zero attention to how much shit costs as a general rule and fearing no reprisal for doing so.

Yeah; even then some of the military spending is beyond fucking hard to justify. How much air dominance do we need at this point? Did we really need that multi-billion dollar bomber, and I do mean that 1 multi-billion dollar bomber when we could spend that money on a bunch of other things and lead a significantly better life for it?

Although shotouts to local government; which is 100 more intrusive into everyday life than the federal government. Similarly shotouts to the senate, which has more to do with nothing productive being done than the president. People don’t know who to blame and somehow want to dump it all on the federal government and the president; most of the problems did not come from the president and the rest of the problem lie with incompetent people at the local and state levels. Pfft.

That was the FBI and not the military and it wasn’t 16 bucks, that fee included the room fee, the coffee fee, and the chair fee, try again. Though I expect nothing less from a Democrat or Republican.