Guccifer 2.0 returns
I don’t know what’s funnier: the fact that pedoviejo is justifying the lack of care and attention to those that do present facts debunking the whole “white people are killed by cops at a higher rate” bullshit, or the fact that every other demographic outside of blacks are demanding attention about issues that only affect them. Either way, this thread is delicious entertainment.
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you can’t debate and disarm a argument based on emotion and 30+ years of bias mainstream interpertation with “facts”
what kind of moronic and naive fucking moron do you have to believe that facts alone will disarm those people. Its equivocal to believing scientific fact will convince evangelicals that the earth isn’t 6000 years old. It’s going to take emotion and bias within the argument to sway belief.
White people have had over 30+ years of constant exposure as to what blacks are.
poor people (urban issues in mainstream)
uneducated and responsible for much crime (statistics and or general state of black schools and communities as shown on the mainstream)
have a culture problem (gang wars that have existed since the 80’s and still account for the majority of black deaths, plus the glorification of hood trash via music and pop culture)
lazy idiots on welfare (since before regean)
you really think people aren’t going to see the blm argument as stupid when that’s the only thing they’ve been exposed to for the past 30 years. It also doens’t help that this country is a culturally pluralist and we willingly segregate ourselves into ethnic enclaves (BLM today is doing the same shit with their safe space bullshit instead of trying to export the good parts of black culture). the “facts” that debunk the “white people killed by cops” and then presented in arguments, aren’t good arguments for. Having facts isn’t enough to convince people, because to do so, you have to assumes a hyperreality in which people think logically and not emotionally. Pay attention to an argument presented within a court of law, you have people getting away with obvious crimes because the lawyer can not only refute and present a counterargument using counter facts for the defense, he effectively manipulates the emotions of the jury. BLM and the arguments presented by them are for the gbetter part poorly constructed arguments with no thought put into them. MLK most basic public speech shits on any and all arguments and or speeches that i’ve heard from BLM activists.
and it is true that demographics nly care about issues that regard them and push issues about them. I’ve yet to meet a non millennial Hispanic that votes that actually cares or thinks positive about blm and or black issues. I often hear the same arguments whites use with hispanics that i talk to about issues when they come up
I’m positive its the same with asians, and doubly true of with whites in general. You think a demographic that’s concerned about the economy gives a shit about black issues, when black issues are for the most part discriminatory issues and not broad monetary ones that deal with jobs and or taxes? People don’t give a fuck about others, you can’t be that dumb to think that’s not true. If that was the case, BLM would have never had a platform
Hezbollah said Trump is right on Obama creating ISIS even though Trump said it was sarcasm.
http://aranews.net/2016/08/hezbollahs-leader-agrees-donald-trump-obama-founder-isis/
Well, Trump now has the endorsement of Russia AND Hezbollah
There was an Isis magazine that came out recently that listed the 6 reasons why they hate us. Basically the top 5 reasons is because we aren’t islamic, and a distant 6th is the shit we’ve been doing over there. Magazine name is Dabiq issue. Titled “Break The Cross”. Page 31 “Why We Hate You”.
Also, I think part of the reasons whites like myself can’t get behind the BLM movement is when they do shit like this.
http://www.firstarriving.com/2015/07/milwaukee-firefighter-shot-ambulance-struck-by-gunfire-on-ems-run/
Seriously, you are against police brutality, but you go ahead and attack firefighters and EMS workers? Sorry for putting out your fire, sorry trying to save the life of your friends.
Another problem is just the advertising of the slogan.
Black Lives Matter is a divisive name. Plain and simple. Which easily gets refuted with All Lives Matter or Blue Lifes Matter. Or in the case above EMS Lifes Matter. Which just speak against about how a divisive movement that it is. Had they chosen another name saying “Stop Police Brutality”, whites and everyone else might have gotten on board with that.
But since they did go with Black Lives Matter, that brings up the 2nd problem with the slogan. They flat out ignore the largest killer of young black men in America. Fellow Black men, one would logically think that had they addressed the larger problem before focusing on the smaller problem that once again whites and other ethnic groups might be more supportive.
But if we’re talking about facts, there were about 1000 police killings last year. At a population number of 300 million, that puts it at 1 out of every 300,000 Americans get shot and killed by the police. Those aren’t bad numbers.
So again, statistically speaking, Police Brutality is not really an issue to be concerned about. But if you want to lower higher rates for blacks, then all they have to do is commit less violent crime. And a good place to start that is the blacks killing blacks.
Non-whites should just keep their heads down and know their place, of course.
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@ShinjiGohan I don’t particularly care for BLM because they like to rep “the good boys who didnt do nuffin” and stay silent about people who actually are shot for no reason. But it is just as bad when someone brings up black on black crime because that is the stupidest shit I ever heard of. You are more likely to commit crimes against people in the community you come from than to another community. That is to say that white on white, asian on Asian and Mexican on Mexican etc are expected to be equally as high. If I come from a white neighborhood of course the people I commit an offense against are most likely going to be white.
But even if the term black on black crime wasn’t complete fucking nonsense, the next thing someone would say would be “Well it’s okay for black people to kill each other, but the police shouldn’t do it?” Yes that’s exactly what is being said. They are in a near above the law position unlike some random off the street that comes and blows my brains out. Getting executed without a trial by a law enforcement agency is wrong and constitutional violation at that. Whenever detainment is possible, police officers duty should be the go for arrest first and assure that a criminal gets a fair trial. Even that pile of shit Dylan Roof got a fair, impartial trial and he’s literally a vile murderer. I do believe that in most situations I’ve been shown on video, that a lot of these people were able to be brought in for trial without killing them on the spot. Some cases, there was no form of resistance shown and they still get owned by the police.
That’s just my opinion on it though. Except for that black on black nonsense. That’s just fact.
Not non-whites, just blacks mostly.
Want to commit more crime than anyone else combined? Fine, don’t cry when businesses stay away from your communities and drive you further into poverty.
Want to abuse kids by raising them without fathers? Don’t complain when they grow up undisciplined and turn to crime.
Want to cry every time a black kid is killed for being a thug? Don’t bitch when white people are killed morr both outright and proportionate to the crime they commit.
If blacks would elevate themselves to higher standards, society might start giving a shit about them.
We know, but people like BLM don’t. If they acknowledged this simple fact, BLM wouldn’t even exist.
The entire point is that people are crying about whites killing blacks, when blacks are mostly killing themselves. And when all is said and done, they still kill more people than everyone else combined.
People are ignorant to or deny black on black crime, and that is the problem.
Looking at the FBI statistics for the number of homicides, which was separated by race of victim, race of killer, sex of killer. We don’t find that blacks kill the most out of every one. Whites still do. However Blacks almost kill as many blacks as white kill whites and there are a ton more whites.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
If the blacks can get those numbers down to on par with all other ethnic groups per capita, then we’d see a decrease supposed police brutality against blacks. A quick snip for those not wanting to click the link.
In 2013 of the 3005 whites that were murdered in the USA, 2509 of them were commited by fellow whites.
Conversely, of the 2491 blacks that were also murdered in that same year, 2245 of them were killed by fellow blacks.
Simply put blacks disproportionately kill far more of their own than any other ethnic group in the USA. Which is why blacks are disproportionately seemingly targeted by police.
The “half of all murders” is a value taken over time from 1980 to 2008.
Yes, in recent years it’s been dropping, down to 38% 2013. As far as sheer number of offenders, though, in 2012 and 2014, there were more black offenders outright than whites.
Time Kaine: “I’ve never been treated badly in life because of my skin color or my gender, I think the burden is on those of us who are in the majority — Caucasians. We have to put ourselves in a place where we are the minority.”
Conservatives hear: Kaine said White People Need to Be Minority
I don’t know, politicians hide a lot of their agenda in their words. Maybe he really meant it?
“We” don’t need to do jack shit.
Yeah, it is possible to be empathetic without actually going through the “struggle”. The human mind can do a lot of shit like that.
Black lives matter isn’t divisive until some genius makes it out to mean:
“ONLY black lives matter” when in reality not only was that never the message, the message has always been:
“Black lives matter TOO”
Black lives matter is no more divisive than breast cancer (all cancers matter, right?)
Or Jerrys kids (all kids matter)
Or starving people in Africa (all starving people matter)
Blacklivesmatter was started up because people just didn’t fucking care when black people were murdered in cold blood.
As long as the black person was KINDA resisting arrest, or was LOOKING kinda dangerous or had a bad past record it seems to basically everyone that those were great reasons to justify killing people even though the prevailing notion is innocent until proven guilty but black folk are tried and convicted via cop gun all the time.
The thing I find appalling is how people have reacted to black lives matter. Instead of saying rational things such as “well of course black lives matter, but these people were mostly all criminals that were shot” or some such which at least TRIES to come to a middle ground…
We get this bullshit ass all lives matter thing as if saying black lives matter is somehow saying all lives DONT MATTER or only black ones do.
It’s like accusing breast cancer people of saying that only breast cancer matters.
I mean… I get it… White folks are sick and tired of being blamed for every black person problem that there is.
They are sick and tired of affirmative action putting black folks into higher paying jobs and then those same ghetto ass black folk not using their higher positions to further themselves and instead just taking the pay check.
I understand white frustration. But I don’t condone it.
Black people were enslaved under some of the most brutal conditions imaginable for almost 300 years. During those years, even after black folks were freed, they retained the stigma of being basically animals in most white peoples minds, for years. Black people, unlike Mexicans and even Jewish people, can’t assimilate into white culture as easily. We are dead easy to spot in a crowd as being different. We can’t hide from our pigmentation. This makes it harder to assimilate… Or rather, made it harder to assimilate for years.
Now though, outside the major black ghettos, black folk on the whole have enjoyed more freedom and understanding than ever before. To the point we are basically equal to our white counterparts. But “equal” isn’t always “equal” we can get the same jobs, date some of the same women and go to the same school… But we still can’t get rid of our pigmentation and that still outs us as different.
“Black” still has the connotation of being poor, under educated, ignorant to many things and worst of all… That we have it harder than other races. People inherently know this is true. And when picking partners this is one of the things both women and men select for many times.
“I like him but he may have it tough trying to get ahead in the corporate world”
“I like her but she may have social issues being both a woman with slightly lesser power AND a black person at that”
But the “nice spot” that the educated non ghetto black man now seems to have in mainstream society hasn’t been here for very long at all. Back in the mid 90’s my first girlfriend was Latino/black/Italian… But she looked white (with a big booty) when I walked down the street with her we would get stared at. People would LEER. They weren’t happy and and weren’t super shy about letting us know even though we were only 17.
So while I do see the White pov of not wanting to be held accountable or as scapegoats for what has happened in the past, I don’t agree with them.
The black man has only had “relative equality” with the white man for around 20 years or so.
Whereas our ancestors had to endure 300 years of EXTREME inequality.
And in my mind that simply doesn’t add up, so excuse me if cries of white people suffering at the hands of being blamed for shit their ancestors did a hundred years ago, fall on deaf ears.
I am still trying to understand the purpose of Black Lives Matter in Canada, UK, and Japan though.
We’re even having BLM rallies in Australia, which now qualifies me to address this:
The message started as “black lives matter too”, but tough shit - through their own actions, they went and changed the message to “only black lives matter”. It’s not the rest of us misinterpreting something, it’s exactly what BLM is now preaching.
BLM was created after the death of Trayvon Martin, who was demonstrably killed in self-defense. People also don’t care when white people are murdered in cold blood, despite being killed more outright, and more in proportion to arrests, but you don’t see whites rioting in the streets.
BLM would be taken more seriously if they weren’t doing exactly the kinds of things that get people shot by the cops in the first place.
We have been saying exactly that, and in response, BLM supporters turn violent or are incapable of acknowledging the inherently criminal background of many police shooting victims.
They’re saying exactly the latter nowadays, and as seen in Milwaukee, attacking whites on sight.
We don’t need your permission anyway. You keep becoming more and more criminal as a race, and you keep giving the rest of the country reasons to dissociate themselves from you. And in return, you get cradled by welfare and affirmative action and you drag down those among you who want to better themselves. Your culture has a problem, and it’s not up to whites to fix it.
Whites ended your slavery. Your ancestors suffered, but you are not your ancestors. Slavery has been ended for nearly 200 years and you continue to use it as a crutch. Yes, you were treated like shit up until the end of segregation, but guess what - DESPITE that, despite being demonised, lynched and corralled from the whites, you actually performed better in society and had more family cohesion than you do now.
Imagine how far you could have advanced if you simply kept doing what you were doing back then, with your additional freedom.
That’s because in current reality, blacks as a whole in the US are more poor, less educated or intelligent and ignorant. The causes for that are many, and aren’t entirely their own fault, but still.
Because he got handed a job due to affirmative action and couldn’t formulate a proper sentence in his interview.
“Slightly lesser power”? She has the power to destroy a man for life without evidence, and the ability to get hired based purely on her skin colour.
I get the same leers when I walk down the street with an Asian or Islander girl. Her race leers at me, and whites leer at her. Interracial relationships all have a stigma that is not exclusive to one person in that relationship being black. You are not alone, you are not special in this regard.
And excuse us for not giving much of a fuck when the cops kill you for doing what you seem to be doing best - trying to kill, rape and steal from people.
No it’s Divisive because BLM stands for Black Liberation Movement. All their founders have ties to that parent organization it was a simple re-branding.
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[] BLM openly supports
[] Marxism.
[] Race war.
[] Segregation.
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Not only that, generally the person they are defending and protesting over had it coming, while legitimate wrongful force cases are ignored.