The Ameяican Government Thread

And how is that different? The first one is a law in some US states, the second one is a law in some muslim countries. That’s all, there is to say: It’s a law. One may sound ridiculous to us, but that’s none of our concern, als long as it is that other country. If people from said country try to make this law stick in our country, THATs, where we draw the line.

There is no burning desire. Truth is, I despise all monotheistic religions. I don’t make a difference between Islam, Jewry or the Christian Church (note that I do not despise faith but religion - there is a huge difference between those two). However it is necessary to point out, that the only difference between Islam and christian churches is the fact, that the churches don’t have any real power anymore. If they had, things in the western world would look much different. But their influence is still strong enough to cause attacks on people the church hates. Some crazy preacher in Bumfuck Idaho will continue to babble incoherent shit about gay people, until some simple guy with an IQ of toast, decides to do something against these pests. While life in our countries certainly is far better than life in any muslim country, our people still hate gay people, foreigners, people of different religions, women etc. Pretty often this hate turns into violence. That doesn’t need to be an attack with dozens of victims. It already enough, if one black guy is being beaten up by a group of white power assholes.
The good thing is, that this kind of shit is being punished by the law (if they manage to get these guys). But the sad truth is that more than anything else these laws are, what prohibits said attacks from happening more often. People are still assholes, who will continue to hate on anything they don’t understand.

It sounds like a perfect good reason, but what are you gonna do? As I stated - they are on their way. Us closing the borders doesn’t change anything. They keep coming, because they don’t have anywhere else to go. So if we - the great western civilizations - do not wanna create a humans catastrophe right in front of our doors by letting hundreds of thousands of people kick the bucket, we gotta do something, right?

You can cross Turkey off that list. That country is going down the toilet and will end up being an islamic dictatorship. Erdogân has lost it completely after the recent events. However - you said it yourself. The WANT to do this and that. But there is laws in these countries which forbid that. So killing a gay person or an adulterer is a crime. That does not make these laws any different from ours. We too have enough people who wanna kill gays and people who believe in a different god.

It sure had, before the protestants separated and - more important - we told both camps to fuck off.

That is true. I just found out recently, that Turkey has been sending Imams to german mosques for years. Knowing that Erdogân is a goddamn islamist, this raises the question, what our government was/is thinking. Looking at the recent events, these guys need to be shipped back to Turkey like yesterday.

The ideas may be different, but that doesn’t really change the goal, doesn’t it? Our idea of peace, their idea of piece - in the end we are all happy, if we can eat breakfast on our balcony without people bleeding out in front of our house screaming bloody murder.

We should put more effort in banning religion per se. I’d rather see millions of people going for the ab-crack or the bikini bridge than comparing the length of their gods dicks.

To be fair, many of them did want to flee to Saudi Arabia, but the Saudis were smart enough.

Of course it is. Using cultural relativism to excuse their backward practices is what impedes progress in their world. Encouraging and peer pressuring them to make them understand it’s 2016 is what good allies should be doing.

No one should ever make excuses for religious laws and punishments.

Which is why Indonesia, the moderate Muslim beacon of light is starting to implement Sharia laws again so they can get rid of the undesirables according to their holy books.

My idea of peace does not include being a dhimmi.

Oh boy the apologists are starting to come out of the wood work.

It wasnt religion, it wasental instability!

Of course its mental inatability, you have to be a complete retard to believe in fucking space unicorns and 72 virgins for waging jihad. The problem is that religion is the catalyst, and ehat males this easybis that there are millions of low akill, low intelligent illegal immigrants in europe now. Theres a reaaon nations have practiced border control for millennia

I think you are overly optimistic about how evolved our culture is, but I concur on the prison-industrial complex.

Dude, I’m not even sure we’re arguing the same points. I’m saying executions being public spectacles isn’t something foreign to western or US culture. You are maybe 2 generations removed from it, and those generations are still alive, still, voting, and still running for the highest offices in the land. So while it is reasonable to demonize the practice, it isn’t reasonable to claim that it separates us from them.

Except I guess you don’t actually disagree with public executions. I don’t personally trust the government with the power to execute people simply on the basis that our justice system is too demonstrably flawed. But I’d agree that if we are going to do it it probably should be public so that the public has to at least address its own culpability in the process, for good or ill.

As for where refugees are fleeing to, they’re fleeing to areas of stability. The ones who think the civ where they end up is better than the one they left aren’t going to try to change it. The ones who think it isn’t might. That’s pretty much any group of refugees throughout history though.

Gosateizm is state atheism, every totalitarian state of the 1900’s had intrinsic rules that all politicians had to be Atheists and they killed a 100 million people+ by generous statistics.

This is the flag of Norway

That is a Christian cross on the flag, they have a State Christian Church and they are one of the most progressive happiest places in the world.

Cultural relativism is bullshit, as is the idea Atheists have done any better with society than the religious.

Atheist authoritarian regimes are still religious in a sense, they just replaced religious deities with their supreme leader as their god. Ask any escaped North Koreans, they literally used to think Kim Jong Un was their god.

Nationalism is a religion in of itself as well.

and we call the south fucking backwards. we’ve all made fun of the south for being fuckin backwards, including you. Stop making yourself look stupid

It doesn’t matter if it was only yesterday that society gave gays equal rights. The facts are,

there are enough of us that don’t care and say its fine
we have them and they don’t

that fact makes us better.

we abolished slavery, but slavery is still important and alive in the middle east
we protect children, they don’t
we support the right to say and believe in what you want, they don’t
we support the right for a woman to do what she wants, they don’t
we support open debate, they don’t
we support all types of art and media, they don’t
we are better than them, and will remain that way intul there are enough brave and intelligent men in the middle east to ascend their culture to greatness

this is how I know you are stupid

either an ideology works, or it doesn’t and you need to change it to the point where its no longer what it was. The difference is that we have laws and procedures that protect people and give people a chance to not be executed. That doesn’t exist with shit middle eastern practice. It doesn’t matter if conservatives don’t like gays, we have a secular state, and a population that’s willing to protect them and tell them that they can’t have it their way.

The west should not bend its knee to Islam because they have no struture. that sounds like a personal problem, and one that we in the west shouldn’t have to deal with. We are past that religious shit and have to deal with it from our own population. any extra people coming here and trying to do more of it need to get permabanned or filtered.

the only muslim countries that aren’t extra religious are jordan, and maybe lebanon (not remembering right now) and what was syria, libya, iraq. the rest are shit hole countries that are only doing economically well because of massive oil reserves, and have 4 tier citizen caste system.

people with money are excluded from the rules
men
women
slaves

Said every Atheist ever, I’ve read Marx. Atheism is an intrinsic characteristic of the Marxist state.

Christian founded countries with few exceptions are liberal tolerant democracies, when atheists found a state that isn’t a totalitarian shit-hole I’ll start paying attention to what they think about governance.

Japan is the only exception I can think of when it comes to a country I would even want to visit let alone live in that wasn’t a product of Western Civilization. (arguable)

Except the US was not founded in Christianity, the founding fathers did everything to nullify the affects of religion without banning it.

Off the top of my head, Neither Nazi Germany nor Imperial Japan were atheist states. And the totalitarian states that did embrace atheism did so so that they did not have to cede any perceived authority to existing outside religious power structures, not because there is anything intrinsically totalitarian about atheism.

It is simply far more efficient for a totalitarian state to declare for the absence of religion than it is to invent a new state related one. Consider the idiocy of the civic cults of the French Revolution, for example.

I am going to bring this down a notch for the cultural relativists.

Good flags.

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Bad flags.

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Cross’s = good.
Sickle and or Crescent moon = Resembles what they will use to chop off your head while yelling Allah aardvark.

I’ve never seen an account try to troll this hard.

Except that it was, from the first Pilgrims who landed to everyone of the founding fathers were products of Christian western civilization and practiced to differing degrees.

They were Christians against a state Religion, they were all Deists.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPokr7jIhJs&list=RDyPokr7jIhJs

If you were right about any of the relativist bullshit you preach you would tell me what country we are moving to but we both know it is going to be filled with as many white Europeans as possible.

I never seen a person come into a conversation and every bit of text he posted be so fatuous and vacuous.

No one cares or has ever cared about your opinion.

I miss back when fishjie was the Christian minority around here.

He was fixable.

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