my friend, whose a hardcore sanders and even bought the shirt
mothefucker sold himself for talking points. What a coward, not only that, he’s in full denial mode saying that sanders wasn’t about sander or bust and that mentallity wont’ work. But rather, it was all about revolution. And somehow he believes sanders has “radicalized” the democratic party. what a weeb, dude is a really good friend of mine, but his delusions have essentially stupefied him to the realities.
Pretty sure anyone that actually cared about what Sanders stood for is salty about him endorsing Hillary. I know I am. This election sucks shit. Pretty much waiting to watch the country burn at this point.
This election isn’t bad. This election is actually great. Both sides have essentially presented candidates that ultimately represent the hypocrisy which each party has lived. On one end we have a guy pretending to stand for a set of values he couldn’t care about and the other pretending to care about a group of people she blatantly doesn’t. These elections are the culmination of party politics. Each side has swallowed itself into an endless loop of empty rhetoric because agreeing on anything was detrimental to their products. The most incredible part is that there are people on both sides that cannot deal with the situation. There are commentators to the right that are trying to figure out how the party got there if it was supposed to stand there; there are many people on the left that are dealing with a blatant facade and not quite sure what they are looking at.
We’ve spent so many years being partisan that everybody just forgot to be good citizens. We stopped caring about sticking to the important core values of both sides: one that hard work is important and should be encouraged and the other that we should lend each other a hand to get back on our feet; at no point would either party move to the center and realize that these two ideas should be tied as they feed each other. Similarly neither side knows how to cope with the constitution anymore. I’d say we are at a point where a decent amount of republicans don’t understand how the first amendment protects some of the social issues they detest all the while democrats can’t seem to understand that the first amendment also protects a lot of cultures they detest.
We are at the amazing point where the core principle of the Constitution is playing itself masterfully. The Founding Fathers set out to create a clusterfuck of a country; a government that could move but that was inherently dysfunctional so that it couldn’t amass the power to harm citizens. We are there. What they didn’t see was that there could be a run of years where power was traded back and forth and the tensions then would be to the detriment of the people. All things considered they did pretty good.
The country doesn’t need to burn; it needs to trouble shoot; it needs to prune. It needs an honest conversation between the citizens on what the real problem is: our two major parties and the lobbying which fuels them. We need a long hard talk about how idiotic its been to let two fully corrupt organizations create divisions within neighbors.
Its been enough to try and reach across aisles. We all need to reach across fences because after this election, in four years, we shouldn’t have either of this parties still together.
Jill Stein says she would put Edward Snowden in her cabinet. Fuck that shit.
He should be welcomed back and be a free man, but that’s all he should get.
Just admit it.
You got bernt. Had. Swindled. I’m sure old Bernie loves you kids for taking care of his retirement.
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT.
WE DONT NEED MORE LEFIES. But before you move to Canada you should consider Vancover if you can afford the housing costs. If not then Toronto and enjoy your extremely high electricity and internet bills.
(Dont come to western Canada.)
The Canada shit is hilarious hypocrisy. Canada is nice because they have virtually the same immigration policies Trump is accused of being racist over, they beat him to the cross burning clear back in the 80’s.
Canada has no birthright citizenship, they make you put up a 50K bond held by the government in case you become unemployed so you don’t go on welfare, they make you learn English & French and unless you have a Bachelors or better in a profession they need more of you’re not getting in.
I’m married to a Canadian and live 30 minutes from Regina, we had a hard time getting our children dual citizenship and they were born to a Canadian mother on Canadian soil. It took me quite a few years to get residency permit for when we stay up there.
Snowden is hero whistle blower and every Liberal should be ashamed about the way the Obama administration (and Hillary will) has pursued him. Snowdens detractors seem to be ignorant of two facts regarding his leaks.
Snowden notified congress months before he leaked anything, fully attempting to notify them through proper channels of the impropriety.
Snowden did not go to the press until after Director of National Intelligence James Clapper LIED, Committed perjury thus committing a crime claiming the NSA was not engaging in mass surveillance.
Congress was fully entitled to be informed, there is no justification for lying to congress in this scenario and Snowden was duty bound to report it.
The executive branch/NSA had no right or business hiding this fact from congress, period.
I’ll still give credit to sanders supporters. They were swindled but these guys are not stupid. 9/10 are not going to fall in line for Crooked Hillary. They might go stein and some even Johnson or Trump but not many are okay with doing what they are told.
lol swindled. Bernie knows how to wheel and deal. If he wants the chance to run for 2020, he needs to keep the Democratic party together. This shit isn’t even new. Candidates have been doing this for centuries. It’s the best choice, too. I’d much rather have him on a Democratic ticket than a third party because even if he does win he’ll end up with a lot less allies in the legislative branch.
I don’t understand how people don’t get this. If he spurns the entire party, he’ll be fucked. Presidents can’t do shit by themselves. Congress will block EVERYTHING. The system is inherently designed that way. I’m not even trying to be patronizing, I just want people to get that through their heads.
I backed Bernie and still do. If he runs in 2020 or 2024, he’ll get my support. Or heaven forbid he isn’t around during that time, someone who picks up his spirit will get my backing. But for now, he’s lost. I accept it. Move on to the next battle: Trump vs. Hillary. Do I want a pompous, egocentric know-nothing to represent our country or do I want the corrupt, politically-savvy, cold hard-ass? I know:
But I’ll be supporting Hillary. She may not be the best candidate, but I think she’ll push issues I want such as income inequality, health care, defense spending, college costs, and international relations.
I don’t blame Obama for wasting political capital on pardoning him. I wait for a president down the line to do that. I think Snowden should have faced the charges. You know the risks you take even when you’re doing a common good and he ran. I’m not saying I would not have done the same, but you gotta know that your life has a probability of becoming forfeit.
But this is precisely the attitude that prevents MORE people from acting on their conscience.
If society as a whole was more accommodating to people breaking unjust, which is to say non-law laws, we’d be far closer to having a genuinely good, fair, honest nation.
There are whistle blower protection laws in place last time I checked, but I don’t think that covers classified information. I’m no lawyer, though. So take this with a grain of salt.
History is full of people who accepted the consequences of their choices. Snowden should be no different. Yes, it sucks but that’s how life has always been when you go against the establishment. If the principle isn’t worth giving your life over to, is it really worth defending?
But so did Clapper when he commited perjury. There is a common-law term that escapes me at the moment, but it is the essentially the case of “legal speeding during an emergency with a woman giving birth in the back seat.”
Obama didn’t need to waste political capitol pardoning him. He actively has pursued this case, the DOJ was not obligated to bring charges, the executive branch has prosecutorial discretion. And a large chunk of Obama’s platform and campaign was whistle blower protections. It was as simple as a closed door meeting of this case is not worth bringing. Obama wants Snowden behind bars, that is apparent.
You can’t classify a criminal act, which mass surveillance is (fourth amendment) to cover it after lying to congress about it.
