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I don’t have the information at my fingertips, but I can only imagine the thought was, “If we have only people with IQs of 100 or above, society will be PERFECT!” Too bad they forgot that society needs people at both ends of the spectrum, because you end up with too many chiefs and not enough indians.
If the bank knew the money they were lending was guaranteed, that meant they’d get it back whether it was from the lendee (?) or the government. They didn’t give a shit. Clinton supported repealing the Glass Steagall Act and then pushed the Financial Services Modernization Act in 1999 which allowed for previously unprecedented mergers of financial institutions, both actions which are blamed for making the 2008 financial crisis worse than it probably would have been.
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the reason why scumbags like Rupert Murdoch and Clear Channel can buy up large amounts of media outlets, and also cross platform media, which allowed Comcast to buy up NBC, for example. It’s why Clear Channel owns a majority of the radio stations in the US.
You’re right that regulation IS supposed to keep people safe, and the regulations as they were did that, until guys like Clinton came along. One could potentially make the case that the Clinton administration is partially to blame for the financial crisis of 2008 with its deregulation.
Negative-Zer0: DoctaMario: Negative-Zer0: DoctaMario: Negative-Zer0: pedoviejo: Negative-Zer0: Iduno:So who the fuck should do these jobs if you apparently don’t deserve to be able to not live in poverty doing them 40 hours a week?
Fucking idiot.
So the economy lives on people arrying boxes and putting price tags on cloths? Fucking TEENAGERS and low skill workers do these jobs. FOr generations to make it you had to be a welder, and store owners, a fucking tailor, some useful shit since way back in the old english days. Now people want to get patted on the back just for fucking showing up.
If you think the world should bend to your twisted view of I am alive therefore give me shit, please deport yourself to a forest and go fuck yourself, no one will miss you.
saying that people shouldn’t only be making 15600 dollars a year before taxes isn’t stupid. Nobody is saying that they should get paid more than other professions. at 15 dollars an hour people would make double what they make today and live at poverty levels.
That’s fair
Granted, it sucks that teenagers and idiots who choose wrong are benificirias, there is simply to many people out there killing themselves just to survive.
what you are bitching about is akin to saying maybe homeless people should get their shit toghether and apply for jobs. Which is nigh impossible given how you need a cell phone and an address to apply and or have a bank account to deposit your money.
But hey
If things are too high a price, or there are too many unnecessary barriers put between people getting a job, be that government or private jobs, then that is a discussion we can have. There are many things that can be done to lower prices because many well meaning policies increase prices on many things in many industries.
The discussion that we shouldn’t be having is lying about the worth of your job. Highly paid professions are those for a reason. You go to college an stay in the trenches for years to study for engineering, and you are worth more not due to regulation, but due to market forces. The same thing applies to minimum wage jobs. It is perhaps our most foolish law. You can’t lie about your input into the economy because the economy will correct itself. People that want a living wage to live comfortably today are normally people that don’t want to apply themselves, they don’t want to do the work others put in, they just want low effort input for maximum output.
These people over here have to risk there lives to get the coal/oil to power my home, those people over there have to work all day to build the building, this guy right here has to be extremely precise in his surgeries that he trained for decades to master, but I get to greet people at Walmart and enjoy the same living standards not naturally, but artificially through government force.
No. That person fuck off to a forest and go fuck himself. Reality is not a children’s story book.
I completely agree with @Azure but that aside…
We need ditch diggers as much as we need scientists. There was some Asian country that apparently did some experiment where they paid people below a certain IQ to sterilize themselves and do you know what happened? They couldn’t find people to fill the necessary low skill jobs because everyone was “too smart” to work that kind of stuff. not everyone’s going to be a scientist, and not everyone SHOULD be.
Thats not even a real job. No one in society benefits from paying people to sterilize themselves.
But aside from that science is not the only job you can have. Being a digger is a harder job than greeting people at walmart. The point is that there are other things causing prices to rise. There are plenty of things that can be done to fix it the right way. Its not just a bunch of business and landowners all across america being assholes, there are actual things causing things to be the prices they are. All I here are lazy answers to problems caused most likely by government regulation and government being in bed with corporations (the only people that can take a hit on new regulations by government by the way. Less competition for them offsets that cost anyway.) or maybe the situations just suck for some industries. A blanket government solution would cause more problems than it would solve. Everything should be looked at on a case by case basis. and we shouldn’t be listening to lazy socialists high on some form of weed for policy prescriptions.
Why even stop at 15 if you want people to live decently? Why not go to 20 or 100? On some level I think everyone knows that these jobs are paid little for a reason. Its nice to think that all you have to do is this one little thing, or that doing it makes you feel good but you should do it anyway, but life is not that easy.
The whole point of paying people to get sterilized was so it would be a society full of “smart” people because no one below the IQ of a certain number would be reproducing.
You do realize that the privatization and deregulation that even guys like Carter and Clinton brought about are a big part of the reason why things are the way they are, right? Clinton in particular passed a lot of deregulation while in office and it’s fucked up a lot of things from Wall Street to radio and media. Regulations are there to keep businesses and people in check. They’re necessary. The way things are now is the result of less regulation, and the next step is to start handing out mandatory salaries just for being alive if it keeps up. I do agree with you that government and corporations should stay separate, and that’s not likely to happen anytime soon, but make no mistake, DEregulation is a symptom of government and corporations working closely together.
You enjoy the spoils of socialism every day of your life. No, we shouldn’t be a purely socialist country, but if you ask me, the US could use a bit more socialism.
No one even understands genetics enough to know what kind of people would be useful to society. No one is isolating genes to produce desirable children. That and this is pretty immoral anyway.
If you are talking about the sub-prime mortgage crisis? Stupid decisions being made by bankers, with insensitive by government. I don’t think a bank would give loans to people that couldn’t afford it knowing they wouldn’t get their money back because the government guaranteed their money. I want to know what specific regulations that Clinton took away that caused the crisis in the first place.
Regulations should only be there to keep people safe. When regulations are put in place to achieve desirable results, because the bigwigs in Washington said that these are the best results till the end of time, oh and we need to tax you more because we need a new government agency to do that, then it causes problems. especially if it is happening at the federal level. What happened to Detroit was nothing but government going to far with good intentions, That doesn’t mean that it should be mimicked. If you keep picking on your tax base and your tax base leaves what are you going to do?
I don’t have the information at my fingertips, but I can only imagine the thought was, “If we have only people with IQs of 100 or above, society will be PERFECT!” Too bad they forgot that society needs people at both ends of the spectrum, because you end up with too many chiefs and not enough indians.
If the bank knew the money they were lending was guaranteed, that meant they’d get it back whether it was from the lendee (?) or the government. They didn’t give a shit. Clinton supported repealing the Glass Steagall Act and then pushed the Financial Services Modernization Act in 1999 which allowed for previously unprecedented mergers of financial institutions, both actions which are blamed for making the 2008 financial crisis worse than it probably would have been.
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the reason why scumbags like Rupert Murdoch and Clear Channel can buy up large amounts of media outlets, and also cross platform media, which allowed Comcast to buy up NBC, for example. It’s why Clear Channel owns a majority of the radio stations in the US.
You’re right that regulation IS supposed to keep people safe, and the regulations as they were did that, until guys like Clinton came along. One could potentially make the case that the Clinton administration is partially to blame for the financial crisis of 2008 with its deregulation.
The person who opens the door and invites the vampire colony inside the house, is generally regarded as a monster too.
So yeah.
Clinton was arguably worse than anything that came after him, precisely because he enabled it to follow.
Arguments for minimum wage: Make it easier to work your way toward an education, reduce the dependence of working families on welfare
Arguments against minimum wage: Freedom ain’t free, f**k brown people
You seem to be under a false impression that raising minimum wage would reduce the dependence of working families on welfare.
When the cost of business increases a business is forced to search for other means to compete.
Previous options such as technology and outsourcing were discarded in the past but now that costs are increasing they are becoming more appealing.
Don’t be surprised to see many people fired or have their hours greatly reduced.
Businesses aren’t just going to magically start paying adults a higher wage, especially for a job that a child can learn in under a week of training that you are forced to do as an adult because you are lazy or decided to cut class when you were school.
What you should be fighting for are for more jobs to return to the US. Working in McDonald’s is not something an adult should be doing, it’s something a child does to make extra cash to save up for college.
Also, it has nothing to do with white/brown/black, stop letting your personal racism cloud your judgement.
You pay 2 people $7.25, both of them need welfare. You pay one person $14.50, and you now only have to pay welfare for one person. When people say they “create jobs”, a lot of them need to put an asterisk next to that statement because creating a new job at minimum wage doesn’t do much for the economy.
I find it asinine that able-bodied people working 40+ hours a week need welfare. If there’s a better solution, I’m all ears.
@just5moreminutes From the sound of it, both of those people would receive the same cash value in welfare benefits in either scenario. And it’s 2 people working instead of one. Sounds more economical do it the current way instead.
The dummies are out in full force this weekend.
What do you think Bernie Sanders is gonna do with the donations after he loses?
Sue DNC, sue DWS, sue Hillary, and then sue Trump.
just5moreminutes:Arguments for minimum wage: Make it easier to work your way toward an education, reduce the dependence of working families on welfare
Arguments against minimum wage: Freedom ain’t free, f**k brown peopleYou seem to be under a false impression that raising minimum wage would reduce the dependence of working families on welfare.
When the cost of business increases a business is forced to search for other means to compete.
Previous options such as technology and outsourcing were discarded in the past but now that costs are increasing they are becoming more appealing.
Don’t be surprised to see many people fired or have their hours greatly reduced.
Businesses aren’t just going to magically start paying adults a higher wage, especially for a job that a child can learn in under a week of training that you are forced to do as an adult because you are lazy or decided to cut class when you were school.
What you should be fighting for are for more jobs to return to the US. Working in McDonald’s is not something an adult should be doing, it’s something a child does to make extra cash to save up for college.
Also, it has nothing to do with white/brown/black, stop letting your personal racism cloud your judgement.
The sooner we realize that jobs are an archaic thing of the past the better. Embrace our robot laborers, let them toil for us. The concept of “work” is obsolete.
ElderGOD: just5moreminutes:Arguments for minimum wage: Make it easier to work your way toward an education, reduce the dependence of working families on welfare
Arguments against minimum wage: Freedom ain’t free, f**k brown peopleYou seem to be under a false impression that raising minimum wage would reduce the dependence of working families on welfare.
When the cost of business increases a business is forced to search for other means to compete.
Previous options such as technology and outsourcing were discarded in the past but now that costs are increasing they are becoming more appealing.
Don’t be surprised to see many people fired or have their hours greatly reduced.
Businesses aren’t just going to magically start paying adults a higher wage, especially for a job that a child can learn in under a week of training that you are forced to do as an adult because you are lazy or decided to cut class when you were school.
What you should be fighting for are for more jobs to return to the US. Working in McDonald’s is not something an adult should be doing, it’s something a child does to make extra cash to save up for college.
Also, it has nothing to do with white/brown/black, stop letting your personal racism cloud your judgement.
The sooner we realize that jobs are an archaic thing of the past the better. Embrace our robot laborers, let them toil for us. The concept of “work” is obsolete.
How wonderfully naive to believe that you could automate away scarcity.
The only real way that would work is if you drug the larger population into a stupor, ala Huxley.
Then scarcity disappears because you allow new overlords to dull your wants away… all because you wanted to stick it to your old overlords.
How wonderfully naive.
@just5moreminutes From the sound of it, both of those people would receive the same cash value in welfare benefits in either scenario. And it’s 2 people working instead of one. Sounds more economical do it the current way instead.
Think about it in terms of man-hours too. Person 1 still works 40 hours; Person 2 isn’t being paid but can either find another job to use their 40 hours or try to find some other pursuit with the time. Under the old system, both guys lose 40 hours.
ElderGOD: just5moreminutes:Arguments for minimum wage: Make it easier to work your way toward an education, reduce the dependence of working families on welfare
Arguments against minimum wage: Freedom ain’t free, f**k brown peopleYou seem to be under a false impression that raising minimum wage would reduce the dependence of working families on welfare.
When the cost of business increases a business is forced to search for other means to compete.
Previous options such as technology and outsourcing were discarded in the past but now that costs are increasing they are becoming more appealing.
Don’t be surprised to see many people fired or have their hours greatly reduced.
Businesses aren’t just going to magically start paying adults a higher wage, especially for a job that a child can learn in under a week of training that you are forced to do as an adult because you are lazy or decided to cut class when you were school.
What you should be fighting for are for more jobs to return to the US. Working in McDonald’s is not something an adult should be doing, it’s something a child does to make extra cash to save up for college.
Also, it has nothing to do with white/brown/black, stop letting your personal racism cloud your judgement.
The sooner we realize that jobs are an archaic thing of the past the better. Embrace our robot laborers, let them toil for us. The concept of “work” is obsolete.
OK, who pays for the overwhelming majority of non skilled workers if we get rid of the idea of work? Work is what suistans the overwhelming majority of people, its what supports my mom and dad and gives the oppurtunity to had practically finished school.
People with actual professions should be the ones footing the bill so that people don’t have to work? who by the way have to give up a sizable chunk of their earnings to support people who peruse the arts?
Unless the idea of money is eliminated and somehow people are willing to make corvettes and high performance summer tires so that I can have one and in exchange i will work in other engineering applications for free i’d be game. But moving away and having a sizable chunk of the population living on my dime? I can’t cosign that. I know that’s petty, but fuck them. I won’t readily give up any money so that people can lounge about.
Of course, I understand taht there is an irony in which the only way the idea of money can be eliminated is if there is a huge chunk of population being provided for by others becuase they are utterly useless and money no longer becomes adaquate in compensating people.
ElderGOD: just5moreminutes:Arguments for minimum wage: Make it easier to work your way toward an education, reduce the dependence of working families on welfare
Arguments against minimum wage: Freedom ain’t free, f**k brown peopleYou seem to be under a false impression that raising minimum wage would reduce the dependence of working families on welfare.
When the cost of business increases a business is forced to search for other means to compete.
Previous options such as technology and outsourcing were discarded in the past but now that costs are increasing they are becoming more appealing.
Don’t be surprised to see many people fired or have their hours greatly reduced.
Businesses aren’t just going to magically start paying adults a higher wage, especially for a job that a child can learn in under a week of training that you are forced to do as an adult because you are lazy or decided to cut class when you were school.
What you should be fighting for are for more jobs to return to the US. Working in McDonald’s is not something an adult should be doing, it’s something a child does to make extra cash to save up for college.
Also, it has nothing to do with white/brown/black, stop letting your personal racism cloud your judgement.
The sooner we realize that jobs are an archaic thing of the past the better. Embrace our robot laborers, let them toil for us. The concept of “work” is obsolete.
Trolling or not…how do you suppose we can achieve this? Nigga the Jetsons were a cartoon, not a true vision of the future.
Even without work, humans have a desire to have fulfilling lives. Without worth through work and merit, life just isn’t the same. You could say this will allow people to pursue other passions and I’d agree, but there are so many economic functions at play that I can’t see a universal income helping out all that much.
For one thing, taxes will inevitably come from people with jobs. They will feel taken advantage of through this new system and can you blame them? So it’s going to be politically endangered until it becomes as entrenched as social security, which is still a favorite target of conservatives who love to ignore the responsibility of a government and the society it oversees.
Another is the rising cost of goods. You can finally afford to buy something, only to have its price go up because now everyone can afford it. So you’re going to have to figure out how to kill inflation if a universal income is going to become a reality. I understand that there exists European countries who do just that, but they aren’t the US and we face a slew of hurdles along the way.
If you really care about universal basic income, pay attention to how the Swiss vote on June 5. They are voting on whether every Swiss citizen gets 30,000 francs a year, regardless of wealth.
Here’s another article fromthe Atlantic published a few months ago that dives deeper into the world of robotic labor. It’s a long but great read. Even jobs like mine aren’t safe from automation, so this will be the first time in history where robots and software can effectively wipe out jobs we thought were safe, from journalism to doctor.
My favorite part of the article:
After 300 years of people crying wolf, there are now three broad reasons to take seriously the argument that the beast is at the door: the ongoing triumph of capital over labor, the quiet demise of the working man, and the impressive dexterity of information technology.
• Labor’s losses. One of the first things we might expect to see in a period of technological displacement is the diminishment of human labor as a driver of economic growth. In fact, signs that this is happening have been present for quite some time. The share of U.S. economic output that’s paid out in wages fell steadily in the 1980s, reversed some of its losses in the ’90s, and then continued falling after 2000, accelerating during the Great Recession. It now stands at its lowest level since the government started keeping track in the mid‑20th century.
A number of theories have been advanced to explain this phenomenon, including globalization and its accompanying loss of bargaining power for some workers. But Loukas Karabarbounis and Brent Neiman, economists at the University of Chicago, have estimated that almost half of the decline is the result of businesses’ replacing workers with computers and software. In 1964, the nation’s most valuable company, AT&T, was worth $267 billion in today’s dollars and employed 758,611 people. Today’s telecommunications giant, Google, is worth $370 billion but has only about 55,000 employees—less than a tenth the size of AT&T’s workforce in its heyday.
• The spread of nonworking men and underemployed youth. The share of prime-age Americans (25 to 54 years old) who are working has been trending down since 2000. Among men, the decline began even earlier: the share of prime-age men who are neither working nor looking for work has doubled since the late 1970s, and has increased as much throughout the recovery as it did during the Great Recession itself. All in all, about one in six prime-age men today are either unemployed or out of the workforce altogether. This is what the economist Tyler Cowen calls “the key statistic” for understanding the spreading rot in the American workforce. Conventional wisdom has long held that under normal economic conditions, men in this age group—at the peak of their abilities and less likely than women to be primary caregivers for children—should almost all be working. Yet fewer and fewer are.
Economists cannot say for certain why men are turning away from work, but one explanation is that technological change has helped eliminate the jobs for which many are best suited. Since 2000, the number of manufacturing jobs has fallen by almost 5 million, or about 30 percent.
Young people just coming onto the job market are also struggling—and by many measures have been for years. Six years into the recovery, the share of recent college grads who are “underemployed” (in jobs that historically haven’t required a degree) is still higher than it was in 2007—or, for that matter, 2000. And the supply of these “non-college jobs” is shifting away from high-paying occupations, such as electrician, toward low-wage service jobs, such as waiter. More people are pursuing higher education, but the real wages of recent college graduates have fallen by 7.7 percent since 2000. In the biggest picture, the job market appears to be requiring more and more preparation for a lower and lower starting wage. The distorting effect of the Great Recession should make us cautious about overinterpreting these trends, but most began before the recession, and they do not seem to speak encouragingly about the future of work.
• The shrewdness of software. One common objection to the idea that technology will permanently displace huge numbers of workers is that new gadgets, like self-checkout kiosks at drugstores, have failed to fully displace their human counterparts, like cashiers. But employers typically take years to embrace new machines at the expense of workers. The robotics revolution began in factories in the 1960s and ’70s, but manufacturing employment kept rising until 1980, and then collapsed during the subsequent recessions. Likewise, “the personal computer existed in the ’80s,” says Henry Siu, an economist at the University of British Columbia, “but you don’t see any effect on office and administrative-support jobs until the 1990s, and then suddenly, in the last recession, it’s huge. So today you’ve got checkout screens and the promise of driverless cars, flying drones, and little warehouse robots. We know that these tasks can be done by machines rather than people. But we may not see the effect until the next recession, or the recession after that.”
Ryan Carson, the CEO of Treehouse, discusses the benefits of a 32-hour workweek.Some observers say our humanity is a moat that machines cannot cross. They believe people’s capacity for compassion, deep understanding, and creativity are inimitable. But as Erik Brynjolfsson and Andrew McAfee have argued in their book The Second Machine Age, computers are so dexterous that predicting their application 10 years from now is almost impossible. Who could have guessed in 2005, two years before the iPhone was released, that smartphones would threaten hotel jobs within the decade, by helping homeowners rent out their apartments and houses to strangers on Airbnb? Or that the company behind the most popular search engine would design a self-driving car that could soon threaten driving, the most common job occupation among American men?
In 2013, Oxford University researchers forecast that machines might be able to perform half of all U.S. jobs in the next two decades. The projection was audacious, but in at least a few cases, it probably didn’t go far enough. For example, the authors named psychologist as one of the occupations least likely to be “computerisable.” But some research suggests that people are more honest in therapy sessions when they believe they are confessing their troubles to a computer, because a machine can’t pass moral judgment. Google and WebMD already may be answering questions once reserved for one’s therapist. This doesn’t prove that psychologists are going the way of the textile worker. Rather, it shows how easily computers can encroach on areas previously considered “for humans only.”
Incidental.
A few years ago, this really old woman at work asked me for help with something. I helped her out and she commented on how nice all of the employees were. I said, “Well we have to be. Otherwise, they’ll replace us with those stock boy robots they’re always threatening us with.”
She looked stunned. “Oh. I didn’t know they had those…” Then it was time to walk away.
In her defense, they do exist. Your employer just hasn’t had the drive to invest in one yet.
truendymion: ElderGOD: just5moreminutes:Arguments for minimum wage: Make it easier to work your way toward an education, reduce the dependence of working families on welfare
Arguments against minimum wage: Freedom ain’t free, f**k brown peopleYou seem to be under a false impression that raising minimum wage would reduce the dependence of working families on welfare.
When the cost of business increases a business is forced to search for other means to compete.
Previous options such as technology and outsourcing were discarded in the past but now that costs are increasing they are becoming more appealing.
Don’t be surprised to see many people fired or have their hours greatly reduced.
Businesses aren’t just going to magically start paying adults a higher wage, especially for a job that a child can learn in under a week of training that you are forced to do as an adult because you are lazy or decided to cut class when you were school.
What you should be fighting for are for more jobs to return to the US. Working in McDonald’s is not something an adult should be doing, it’s something a child does to make extra cash to save up for college.
Also, it has nothing to do with white/brown/black, stop letting your personal racism cloud your judgement.
The sooner we realize that jobs are an archaic thing of the past the better. Embrace our robot laborers, let them toil for us. The concept of “work” is obsolete.
OK, who pays for the overwhelming majority of non skilled workers if we get rid of the idea of work? Work is what suistans the overwhelming majority of people, its what supports my mom and dad and gives the oppurtunity to had practically finished school.
People with actual professions should be the ones footing the bill so that people don’t have to work?** who by the way have to give up a sizable chunk of their earnings to support people who peruse the arts?**
As someone who works in the arts, I wish you and others in this site would stop saying this. It’s uninformed and definitely not the truth, especially since most people who are artists who don’t have daddy’s money supporting them understand that they’re going to have to work to be able to support their creative output. If anything, a lot of artistic people work a full time job and then go home and work on their art/music/whatever, so in essence, they work more hours than some guy who just goes home and sits in front of the Tv after work. Your money isn’t going to “support” these folks and if you truly think it is, you’re being willfully ignorant.
And we’ll never destroy the concept of money. Currency was around before money itself even existed, it’s always been a part of human civilization and always will be.
People who attack the endowment for the arts (which is hilariously small) are hilarious to me. They don’t want to pay for the culture that they love taking in. In essence, they feel entitled to the artistic expression of someone else.
Capitalism at its finest right there.