The Ameяican Government Thread

>assuming i stop cooking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CLDcGoKEIw

“I communicated about classified material on a completely different service”

Bitch please. You have Assange going on Hannity of all things to blow you up. This election is some nonsense. A Texas newspaper endorsed Hillary.

His stance on immigration is liberterian
Tpp is liberterian in nature

I dont like libertarianism because it doesnt work and idealisticly as dudmb as socialism, he seems to make the compromise needed to make it work.

That said, i still wouldnt vote for him based on his stance on free trade

Are Clinton and Trump scared of having a 4 candidate debate including Green and Johnson?

Meh, I don’t give a shit about Aleppo either. Another country’s internal politics isn’t our business anyway.

There goes Gary Johnson’s 10% support. He was really surging…back to 0.8% he goes

Open borders are Libertarian, but that is dependent on not having entitlement obligations, there incompatible and most libertarians working in our current frame work reject them because of the burden of the welfare state.

There is nothing Libertarian about the TPP, it has more to do with internet regulation than it does trade. Free trade does not favor nations by name, it favors the best price. It enshrines crony capitalism and expands it through out the pacific.

Free Trade deals Libertarian, absolutely you can sum it up in a sentence. But the TPP is not a Free trade deal, it’s a phone book of regulations.

Libertarianism in a single sentence.

It all starts with NAP.

why? Everyone is human, it would be impossible for him to be up to date on everything in the world. Now unlike Trump he doesn’t pretend to know what it is and start talking about something he has no idea about. So he asks what it is so that he can look into it. Or at least give a brief summary of his opinion on it based on someone elses description of it.

If he’s not read (atleast a summary); been briefed on the TPP or caught a Libertarian leaning article on the detrimental nature of the TPP he has no business running for office, if he doesn’t remember NAFTA he has no business running for office and if he is aware of the details of TPP and still supports it he is a pro-oligarch whore masquerading as a Libertarian.

Even Hillary is feigning opposition to TPP, it’s not like this is a small obscure issue.

I don’t know who GJ is running for, I’d consider myself a base libertarian voter and I can’t apologize for him anymore.

Aleppo is in Syria not related to the TPP. Why bring up something not related to Aleppo or Syria?

My bad thought we were talking about the first GJ vid from Ped.

Aleppo and syria are a non issue made an issue only because Obama won’t drop it short of regime change and the Germans and Scandanavians foolishly opened their doors

but its mostly obama’s fault and his poor handling of the Arab spring, which wasn’t an american problem given the fact that non of the countries that had such an event had any real claims to oil fields.

on the TPP issue, its free trade by nature because the inherent principle of the TPP was to curb on piracy and protect investments and RnD from fraud nations like China, etc. What it may have become now is different, but the point of it was to facilitate trade and reduce that cost of trade (legitimate piracy)

yes, i’ve heard of the non aggression principle, and that sums it up, but it can’t fly based on how people behave today. There needs to be a bend in the implementation of that ideology, otherwise it will fail. *Looks at China

Except that under the TPP you posting a link to a IGN story, linking an image is all considered piracy.

The Drudge report = Pirate bay under TPP.

IP is made up bullshit by a british guy in the 1600’s, it has no place in Libertarian thought. Rubbing two sticks together to make fire could be considered a chemical production method to produce heat which could fall under patent. It has no place or grounding in natural law.

and that’s why the TPP shouldn’t pass, but the point of free “trade” is to facilate “trade”

also,

copyrights and or patents have a place in society where RnD can cost millions of dollars. there is a shit ton of absurdity with patent trolls, but are neccessary evil to let people innovate without fear of going bankrupt because some asshole just copied the process and can immediatly undercut somebody who needs to recover his losses.

Liberterianism is some fantasy idealistic nonsense equivalent to communism. yperrealism never works

The oligarchy has enough help stifling society without you batting for them.

Reasonable fair use is easy enough to ascertain, when someone is making X amount of dollars. Other than that leave people the hell alone.

The problem with copyright and patent is assumes a society or culture has to subscribe to capitalism, they don’t.

If your business model requires people not put rounded corners on their phone for example (looking at you apple) then your doing it wrong.

A commodity is not a commodity when it can be reproduced with 0 resources.

The internet has fucked billions of people out of their traditional function, get over it. Stifling the internet is like banning roads so people who build horse carriages still have a job.

that’s not the RnD i’m talking about. I’m talking about real RnD that uses raw materials and makes finished goods in new complex configurations that solve problems.

For example, in the lab i’m at, the raw materials needed just to set up shop cost all toghteher about 75k+, that’s just rolls of fiber and other assorted resins, films, sheets, etc. That doesn’t include advanced machinery for material analysis or the tools needed to run the lab.

edit: or the energy and utilities cost, plus the space costs, employee’s, etc. Without some sort of protections, there wouldn’t be an incentive to make new things based on the system that exists today and will exist for centuries still. you can’t base policy on some idealized what if, that’s not how it works, and that’s how capitalism became crony capitalism, or how communism turns into this nightmarish shit hole in a matter of years, etc. Be reasonable

You are beelining directly to the some of the worst offenders, and that falls under patent troll. If apple devices a novel and more efficient way to run their phones using software, that’s their process and should be protected for a reasonalble amount of time or they can keep it a trade secret if they can. If apple makes a device that bends the fucking sharp corner, then they should be told to GTFO. All i’m advocating for is for balance that’s reasonable.

There is nothing reasonable about using violence (as all laws are backed up by) to stop someone from making something they can, and some culture/society in the world for better or worst is communist they don’t have to respect your right to make a profit based on “Close your eyes and pretend you don’t know how I made this”.

Commodities are **real **and can be secured and protected, not abstract ideas that float around in the air.

If you discover the back flip and decide to charge $10 for people to watch you do the back flip, you don’t get to point a gun at someone and tell them to keep their feet on the ground.

you are being obtuse,

No, I just reject violence and totalitarian measures to preserve systems that technological advancement has antiquated because someones worried about their paycheck or what they shelled out for R&D.

I don’t want to live in a world that goes to the measures that would be required to preserve a made up concept like IP.

You going to invade China to stop them from making fake Louis Vuitton?

You going to ban 3D printers and kick down doors to stop people from printing Nikes?

You going to scan everyones email to make sure they aren’t emailing schematic files?

How far away do you think the Star Trek Replicator is? I printed a fully articulated G1 Optimus Prime today should Mattel send the SWAT team to my house to stop it?