emil, what are you talking about? The yankee beasts have been running vs games at least since mvc1…
Hate to say it but I agree with Emil. Just because it has “vs” in the name doesn’t mean US will pwn. However, the post was a bit harsh…CANADIAN! We’ll see how it goes.
i had like 3 paragraphs about this typed the other day, but i deleted it. ill just agree with you. there is nothing about the fight game engine that they are going to be shocked by. they have played games with much stricter combos than this game, and it is beyond me that anyone thinks a few americans will dominate japan at sbo because we have made “vs games” like our staple game to dominate at. im rooting all the way for our players that go, and im not saying dont be confident, play to win, but if there is anyone actually really thinking that japan is going to suck at this game, or be no where near our top players of this game, your dillusional.
it’s because we don’t have the asian blood so we can never anything in evo
trust me, it’s a science
Japan may very well win, since the game doesn’t even feel like a versus game in the first place. And the versus game engine isn’t unreachable by the japanese, in the same way that any Street Fighter engine isn’t unreachable by americans.
Emil’s post, however, is again full of shit. US owned and owns easily in XSF, MvC and MvC2. Japanese players were travelling to Evo to play MvC2, and the top japanese in the other games got owned as well.
I don’t know what will happen in TvC, but the “asian blood” theory is just stupid. I could reverse it and say that US players aren’t the best at KoF because they don’t care, which is actually closer to the truth, since no US players have ever gone to Japan to play it, and no Emil player has ever stepped outside his house.
Choi owning Evo probably doesn’t count, because he has the “asian blood”. Valle winning against Choi and Daigo numerous times probably doesn’t count, because his grand grand grand mother was a quarter chinese or something. I don’t know about that stuff, and I don’t know about who can win TvC. All I know is that many posts from Emil are just retarded.
Either way, I’d love to see a single american beating the odds against 31 top japanese players in a japanese setup and coming back with the crown. SRK would be japanophile-free for a month.
lol wut?
I support this. I think you north-american people (well…south america its also amrica right?) have the skills and talent to be good at any game…actually, any country has people who can be the best if they want to. the problems is of course as you said, lack of care.
And its not a matter of “blood” what decides who is good or bad at anything, its how you were taught to be in life, if your parents taught you to be persistant and that everything comes from effort and dedication, I dont see how most of you cant win SBO. Also, in Japan the arcade scene is much more supported, unlike here.
lol…yeah link, your comment was st00pid. Next time try and make a joke instead.
I know Link made a joke, but Emil really believes that stuff, and that’s probably why Link made that joke in the first place. Wait for Emil’s reply and you’ll see it.
i mean, can you really say that? someone with more facts would be better to debate this,but when was the last time japan was here to play us in mvc2, besides the only time that we use, which is when we beat them. i dont have any old info about who were the japanese that came to evo that year, or if they were hardcore into mvc2, or if they just casually entered in.
i think the fact that they dont have a huge following for the game in japan, and they dont have players come here for evo to play it, shows that, well, they dont really care about the game like we do, so its almost kinda not fair to keep bringing up how we smashed them in mvc2 years ago. if you want to see a little bit of japanese vs level play, you can check out the bas vs huger series in xvsf thats 4 to 5 years old, but good shit, if anyone has doubts about their ability to play like we do.
most people, including myself, do not know how strong of a little scene in japan they have of mvc2, or of any strong players over there, so lets stop bringing it up. us beating japan in mvc2 is such old news.
i dont know what you mean by japans top players got owned at evo in other games too. after i finish typing my response, ill post the 2k3 through 2k7 results for you to determine how much they got owned in other games.
we’ll see over the next coming months what comes out of japan with casuals and what not, and what comes from here, to see how we compare, which will probably be even, and we will see how they keep up with the game, which is most important.
since its in sbo, it should be taken some kinda serious over there, but i dont know the japanese scene that well, and considering the fact that they dont seem to be big vs heads over there, we will see how the competition stays up over there. hopefully introducing a cast they know more about, and can identify more with, will make them want to play it more.
EVO results below for those interested in our overall performance at the tourney. i dont know anything about casual matches outside of the tourney. you would have to get your search on or start a thread on it to answer those questions. i also dont know the amount of japanese that entered those years, or how many did not enter in the coming years. i remember when daigo didnt do so well i think in 2k6, and it was because he had not practiced on 3s in like a year i believe, or something to that effect was the word going around.
anyways, go america. we spread out, but we have mad vs heads in general, and good players. lets all become top tier in the game. its new, beast that shit up.
2k3
1st: Daigo Umehara “the beast” (N. Ryu) JAPAN
2nd: Ohnuki Shinya “Nuki” (N. Chun Li) JAPAN
3rd: John Choi “choiboy” (O.Sagat) USA
4th: Mike Watson (balrog) USA
5th: Jason Cole “afrocole” (N. Dhalsim) USA
VF4Evo---------
1st: Eiji Komatsu “Chibita” (Lion) JAPAN
2nd: Masafumi Yoshioka “Ohsu-Akira” (Akira) JAPAN
3rd: Ryan Hart (Kage) EUR
4th: Akinori Sato “Neo Tower” (Jacky) JAPAN
5th: Ohnuki Shinya “Nuki” (Aoi) JAPAN
5th: Yoshihisa Ishikawa “Kofu Megane” (Aoi) JAPAN
7th: Shin Dong Il “Maddog-Jin” (Jacky/Lei-fei) KOREA
7th: Mike Abdow “Myke”
Soul Calibur 2--------------
1st: Dan The Nightmare (Nightmare) - France
2nd: Will Johnson “Semi” (Astaroth)
3rd: Ari Weintrab “Floe” (Taki))
4th: Aris Bakhtanians (Voldo)
5th: Andrew Shin “X_SC2”(Ivy)
5th: Marquette Yarbrough “Mick” (Cassy)
TTT-------------
1st: Kim Bong Min (Jin/Devil)
2nd: Ryan Hart (Jin/Heihachi) EUR
3rd: Kenbou Kawakami (Lei/King) KOREA
4th: JOP (Ogres) USA
TK4----------------
1st: Josh Molianro “Jinkid” (Jin)
2nd: Anthony Tran “Jackie Tran” (Jin)
3rd: Wiley Adams III “TreyPhoenix” (Jin)
4th: Chetan Chetty (ChetChetty) (Paul)
3S----------------
1st: Kenji Obata “KO” (Yun3) JAPAN
2nd: Daigo Umehara “the beast” (Ken3) JAPAN
3rd: Keisuke Imai “KSK” (Alex2) JAPAN
4th: Tetsuya Inoue “Ino” (Yun3/ Makoto2) JAPAN
5th: Hsien Chang (Ken3)
5th: Ricky Ortiz (Chun2)
7th: Shinya Ohnuki “Nuki” (chun2) JAPAN
7th: Mark Rogoyski “Mopreme” (Chun2/Ken3)
CVS2-------------
1st: Tetsuya Inoue “Ino^” (K- Blanka/Cammy/Sagat) JAPAN
2nd: Daigo Umehara “the beast” (C-Guile/Cammy/Sagat) JAPAN
3rd: KenRyo Hayashi “Mago” (C-Honda/Chun/Blanka) JAPAN
4th: Ryo Yoshida “D44_BAS” (A-Blanka/Sakura/Bison)
5th: Justin Wong (C-Vega/Sagat/Blanka)
5th: Amir Amirsaleh (A-Sagat/Sakura/Bison)
7th: Jason Cole (K-Vega/Sagat/Cammy)
7th: Arturo Sanchez (C-Eagle/Sakura/Blanka)
GGXX --------------
1st: Daigo “the BEAST” (sol) JAPAN
2nd: Soh Miura “Miu” (sol)
3rd: Saif Ebrahim “ID” (sol)
4th: KenRyo Hayashi “Mago” (johnny) JAPAN?
5th: Aznhitler (johnny)
5th: Alex T (sol)
7th: Kono (Eddie)
7th: Eric Choi “Zim” (Baiken)
MVC2 ----------------
1st: Justin Wong (Mag/Cable/Sent)
2nd: Ricky Ortiz (Storm/Sent/Cap, MSP)
3rd: Rowtron (Sent/Cable/Mag, Mag/Storm/Sent)
4th: Kuan (Mag/Cable/Sent)
5th: Randy Lew “NanoBoi” (Cable/sent/capcom)
5th: Josh Wigfall (Mag/Cable/Sent)
7th: SooYoung Chon “SooMighty” (Mag/Storm/Sent, MSP)
7th: Long Tran “ShadyK” (Mag/Storm/Cyc)
2k4
Street Fighter III : 3rd Strike
1st: KO
2nd: Daigo Umehara
3rd: Justin Wong
4th: Raoh
5th: KSK
5th: Kokujin
7th: Hsien Chang
7th: Mike Watson
Marvel Vs Capcom 2
1st: Justin Wong
2nd: David Lee
3rd: Desmond “Xecutioner” Pinkney
4th: Chris Schmidt
5th: Tong “Genghis” Ho
5th: Randy Lew
7th: Sooyoung “SooMighty” Chon
7th: Harry Potter
Capcom Vs SNK 2
1st: Kindevu
2nd: Ricky Ortiz
3rd: John Choi
4th: Dan
5th: Justin Wong
5th: Campbell “Buktooth” Tran
7th: Eddie Lee
7th: RF
Guilty Gear X2
1st: Daigo Umehara
2nd: Kindevu
3rd: RF
4th: Kevin “Shin Kensou” Turner
5th: Miu
5th: Saif “ID” Ebrahim
7th: Daniel “Ruin” Realyvasquez
7th: Peter “Xenotiger” Suh
Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo
1st: Daigo Umehara
2nd: John Choi
3rd: Kuni
4th: Justin Wong
5th: Alex Valle
5th: Wes Truelson
6th: Jesse Howard
6th: Seth Killian
Virtua Fighter 4 : Evolution
1st: Itabashi
2nd: Eric “Shoutime” Chung
3rd: Kurita
4th: Ryan Hart
5th: Raoh
5th: Adam Yuki
7th: Che “Cappo” Dunkley
7th: Jimmy “Maddy” Byun
Soul Calibur 2
1st: Rob “RTD” Combs
2nd: Marquette “Mick” Yarbrough
3rd: Mystic “Sow Nemesis” Senior
4th: Christian “Vicious Suicide” Gonzalez
5th: Steven “B:L” Luong
5th: Rob “XCTU” Nagaro
7th: Jonathan “Binkley” Soon
7th: Steve “Eternal Fighter” Hanna
Tekken 4
1st: Anthony “Jackie Tran” Tran
2nd Joshua “JinKid” Molinaro
3rd: Thomas “TomHilfiger” Kymn
4th: Nikos “Aenica” Fourikis
5th: Ryan Hart
5th: Jason “USMC Ogre” Greeson
7th: Chetan “ChetChetty” Chetty
7th: Qbert
Tekken Tag Tournament
1st: Ryan Hart
2nd: Shaun “Unconkable” Rivera
3rd: Brad “Slips” Vitale
4th: Nick Shin
5th: Fabrizio “Bode” Tavassi
5th: Thomas “TomHilfiger” Kymn
7th: Chetan “ChetChetty” Chetty
7th: Joshua “JinKid” Molinaro
2k5
ttt
1st - Qudans - [Korea]
2nd - Ryan Hart
3rd - Tomhilfiger
4th - Slips
5th - JinKid / Crow [usa]
7th - MadDogJin [Korea] / SDZ
Capcom vs SNK 2:
1st - BAS - [Japan]
2nd - Mago [Japan]
3rd - Kindebu [japan]
4th - Combofiend [usa]
5th - Ohnuki [japan]/RF [japan]
7th - Justin wong[usa]/Ohayo1234[usa]
GGXX#R:
1st - RF (Faust) - [Japan]
2nd - Kindebu (Eddie) [japan]
3rd - Miu (Sol) [japan]
4th - Marneto (Eddie) [usa]
5th - Ruin (Eddie)[usa] / Mago (Slayer)[japan]
7th - Tokido (Eddie)[japan] / Bas (Eddie)[japan]
Super Turbo:
1st - Gian (Dhalsim) - [Japan]
2nd - Ohnuki (Chun-Li)[japan]
3rd - Tokido (Chun-Li)[japan]
4th - DSP (Vega)[usa]
5th - Buktooth[usa], NKI (Chun-Li)[usa player that lives in japan]
7th - Jason Cole (Dhalsim)[usa] / Peter[usa]
Marvel vs Capcom 2:
1st - Duc Do - [USA]
2nd - Yipes[usa]
3rd - Potter[usa]
4th - Justin Wong[usa]
5th - Ricky O. [usa]/ Chris Schmidt[usa]
7th - Rawbzilla[usa] / Reset[usa]
Tekken 5:
1st - Crow (Steve) - [USA]
2nd - Yuu (Feng Wei)[japan]
3rd - MadDogJin (Steve)[korea]
4th - jra64 (Nina)[usa]
5th - Hato (Bryan) / Mishimaster (Heihachi)
7th - Arario (Jack 5) / Kenbou (Ganryu)
SF3: Third Strike:
1st - Ohnuki (Chun-Li) - [Japan]
2nd - Justin Wong (Chun-Li) [usa]
3rd - Nitto (Yun)[japan]
4th - Mester (Yun)[japan]
5th - Ricky O. (Chun-Li)[usa] / Kokujin (Dudley)[japan]
7th - RF (Chun-Li)[japan] / MOV (Chun-Li)[japan]
Quite a few surprises. Ryan Hart losing TTT. MaddogJin losing T5. And the big one. Justin Wong losing MvC2. Duc Do WINS MvC2. Justin places 2nd in 3rd strike. No John Choi/mike watson in ST. No Ricky Ortiz/Buktooth in CvS2. Buktooth and DSP places in ST. These are some craaaaaazzyy results.
2k6
doa4
1st - Perfect Legend
2nd - DoaMaster
3rd - thehighguy
4th - King
5th - Rikuto / Black Mamba
7th - Justownin / Tom Brady
Tekken 5
1st - Crow
2nd - Bronson
3rd - Jra64
4th - Justin Wong
5th - Jinmaster / Filthy
7th - Arario / Jackie Tran
Anniversary Edition
1st - Alex Wolfe
2nd - Jason Nelson
3rd - Tokido
4th - Alex Valle
5th - Graham Wolfe / Daigo
7th - John Choi / AfroLegends
GGXX Slash
1st - ruu/bas/mint
2nd - daigo/RF/kindevu
3rd - Florida team
4th - cue team
Capcom VS SNK 2
1st - Kindevu
2nd - Ricky
3rd - Combofiend
4th - Buktooth
5th - Justin Wong / Daigo
7th - Hail And Kill / ohayo1234
Marvel vs Capcom 2
1st - Justin Wong
2nd - Chunksta
3rd - Reset
4th - SooMighty
5th - Yipes / Duc Do
7th - Eder / JMar
3rd Strike
1st - Nitto (Yun)
2nd - Issei (Yun)
3rd - Ohnuki (Chun-Li)
4th - Mester (Yun)
5th - Tokido (Chun-Li, Urien) / Pyrolee (Yun)
7th - Amir (Chun-Li) / Alex Valle (Ken)
America winning AE!?
Daigo not winning anything!?
Justin Wong winning MvC2 again!?
Sanford didn’t even qualify for MvC2!?
Capcom supporting Evo!?
DoA sucks!?
2k7
mvc2
- Mike “IFCYipes” Mendoza
- Justin Wong
- Smoothviper
- Chris Schmidt
- Fanatiq / Brandon “Demon Hyo” Deshields
- Potter / Sanford Kelly
VF5
1st. Itazan (Shun Li)
2nd. Nuki (Aoi, Pai)
3rd. Otome (Jacky)
4th. Tokido (Pai)
5th. Ino (Kage) / Myke (Kage)
7th. Renzo (Brad) / Sean Howard (Brad)
CvS2
- Bas (a blanka/vega/bison, a vega/blanka/bison)
- Ricky Ortiz (a vega/sakura/blanka)
- justin wong (c vega/chun/sagat, a vega/sakura/blanka)
- kindevu (a sakura/bison/blanka)
- Tokido (a sakura/bison/blanka, a sakura/blanka/bison)
Buktooth (n iori/chun/hibiki, n iori/morrigan/hibiki) - john choi (c sakura/ken/sagat, c ken/guile/sagat)
combofiend (k ken/sagat/cammy)
ST
- Tokido (Claw)
- John Choi (Ryu, Sagat)
- Graham Wolfe (Boxer, Claw)
- Afrolegends (Dee Jay, Boxer)
- David Sirlin (Honda, Bison) / NKI (Chun)
- Alex Valle (Ryu) / Nuki (Chun)
GG:AC Teams (In case anyone cares)
- Yossan
- ****talk
- Kabuki
- Matlockdown
SSBM
- Ken (Marth)
- Hugs (<-Samus)
- Mango (<-Jigglypuff)
- PC Chris (Falco/Fox)
- Chu Dat (<-IceClimbers)
- Eddie (<-Ganon)
- Chillindude (Fox)
- DieSuperFly (Shiek)
3s
- Nuki
- Tokido
- Alex Valle
- Mike Wakefield
- Fubarduck / David “Aznhitler” Hem
- Ricky Ortiz / Ed Ma
T5DR
- Arario
- Spero Gin
- Bronson
- Kane
- Filthyrich / Slips
- Mr. Naps / 725
Get that money justin.
I have quite a bit of faith in how fast the marvel players will master the engine.
gogogogo
I have complete faith that Justin will win TvC at SBO.
Because he’s dirty, that’s why.
I like me all day!!!
Do it for the team, J!
I’ve never understood why people defend Japan when it comes to the Versus series.
You can speculate all you want, scene or no scene–we’re better than they are in the versus series.
However, TvC is a totally new game, and it’s definitely no Marvel. It’s up for grabs, especially this early.
people are mostly defending japans ability to adapt, and play games period. it doesnt matter really that the game is new or not. japanese players dont really need to get accustomed to anything about the fight system of the game. they know all of the stuff we know, and since tvc aint no marvel 2, its gonna be even easier for them to adapt and really be on the same level, and above for this game.
i say above, because this is out on console, in the arcades, and is a definite game for sbo. dont get people defending japans ability to be nice at the game, with defending their ability to play vs games. that shit is old news. if there was anybody in japan on the level of soo, wong, schmidt, etc…, we probably wouldnt know about it anyways, because to our knowledge, the scene isnt big anyways.
tvc is a new game, there is nothing to debate about that. japan is accustomed to all the strict executions of other games, that they can just apply to this game, so there is nothing holding them back when it comes to that. so at this point, whats going to separate japan from us, is just competition. competition rids you of jitters, and lets you see a lot of strats out there that people use, and will use. but thats why for those who aint got alot of comp in the u.s right now. they need to stay on top of everyones videos that get dropped, and watch closely.
dick riding japan is a cliche thing to do, and i think less people are doing it nowadays, but although ignorance is bliss, there is no denying the skill that comes out of that place when it comes to fight games.
thats why i like how things are going so far. people are viewing each others videos and commenting. contributing much to the forums, and overall you can tell there is a good vibe of people loving a new game finally, and wanting to contribute to make each other the best at it that there is.
ignore him, hes probably the biggest japanese dick rider on srk
I will gladly donate for Justin’s plane ticket although I’m not American…yet.
I can do it for the community,at least.
just to put it out there.
2009 footage of japanese MvC2 & CvS2:
http://www.a-cho.com/ac/mov.html
I don’t play MvC2 more than casually, so I can’t say if it’s good or not.
If Justin Wong (or any other American) wins SBO (which I hope they do) I’ll buy the DVD.
keits has first video of frausty fostings up for tvc. assuming more are coming