I like what logan was saying about it. Just having it like a Baroque only lasting the duration of the combo if its used in a combo or after the next hit if done out of block stun. I think that would be good.
I feel like all of us veteran game players complain about where games are going but that shit isnt going to change. It didnt change for sfiv, mechanics hit tekken 6 and didnt change for BR, hit TvC, now its in Marvel. BBQ/X-factor/Rage isnt going anywhere any time soon. Deal with it or hit up the poverty fighters.
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There was slow down in the ps3 version, it happened about 5% of the time and it was really random when it did happen.
I’ll give you that she looks tight, but right now all I’ve seen is her being tight with lvl 3 xfactor which everyone is. My question for you is, when people start to learn that all you gotta do is snap that ho in and kill her in one combo before she has 5 meters, how is she gonna get in the game?
Oh, and last post before I sleep. But since the general tone of the recent posts is hate on the game. I want to remind you all, even with lvl 3 x factor in, I will be owning everyone in this game. Thank you. Goodnight.
You know what logan i feel you about questioning DP slightly, but at the same time just wait till a really top player or hell even the japanese at the end of the week get their hands on that ho. Its gonna be fuckin madness. If you can read hos at tokidos level with marn/sanford level execution i believe that DP would almost be unstoppable.
Dark Phoenix has, literally, one of the most retarded runaway games I’ve ever seen. She can semi-rush if you have [media=youtube]IE3KdcTgrno"[/media], though.
I’m thinking that one of the only problems I’m seeing, X-Factor aside, is that a lot of characters have blockstrings that kind of just ARE their combos if they happen to hit. That good Blazblue syndrome is in effect. Also, there’s a hint of SFIV with some supers having massive invincibility windows allowing you to mash them out if someone didn’t do their combo/hit confirm/proper punish into super correctly. Suppose that’s my fault for not doing supers when they’re guaranteed to hit, though, so this isn’t really a drawback to the game.
You can’t use that as a reason for a character to be bad, b/c it could happen to ANYONE in the cast, save the higher life characters. Plus, just b/c you snap her in doesn’t make her free. You have to hit the point character to snap her in, make her guess wrong, then combo her. No silly guard breaks in this game homie. If I guess right I’m out, and you can be sure that I’m either gonna 1-rush u down or 2-gtfo.
She’s tight w/o x-factor. I already have some chip/projectile lockdown set ups I’m DYING to try out.
I’m not necessarily using it ad a reason she is bad. I’m just saying all strats involving her ive seen involve putting her last on a team and hoping he other two chars build up five meters before she has to come in. So the fact that you COULD snap in anyone doesn’t really take anything away from it being much more scary to her than other people. Other people don’t require five meters before they become most effective and other people don’t die nearly as easily after being brought in. And after she’s snapped in, you can either Dhc to get her out ( bye bye five meters) or what , random tag? And hope your next character doesn’t auto die? Getting a hit as a requirement to succesfilly snap Ina character vulnerable go snap in can’t be a reason to discredit
That strategy either. You ever seen people play msp against commando teams? Or even msp mirrors? They snap psylocke/commando in when they get a hit for the same reasons, those characters want to stay out because they’re more useful that way, just like phoenix wants go stay out til five meters cuz she’s more useful that way.
Now, I’m NOT saying or arguing that phoenix is useless, or even bad. I’m just trying to provide what will be in my opinion, a good anti phoenix strategy. Snap her in early and force her go risk dying before she can even resurrect as dark pheonix. You can’t tell me that strategy doesn’t at least make sense, or that you don’t see why she is more vulnerable to snap back than lots of other characters.
No the strat is totally valid, it’s just not free, and until someone finds a 420k guaranteed chip setup, it’s not going to be. You’ll still have to contend with the parameters I mentioned in my last post. How hard was it to snap in psylocke w/o MSP making some bad choice? And you know right now everyone expects that (snap phoenix in, try to kill her). The phoenix forum peeps have been talking about that since her inception. We gotta think AHEAD of the curve yo.
Another thing you have to consider are exchange combos. Those build RIDICULOUS meter (I’ve seen ONE BnB + exchange build 4 meters in one vid). She doesn’t need to come in on 5 meters. The team only really needs to build 4 and not use them, then just bring her in however they want, b/c even if you kill regular phoenix, the combo you use (unless you’re hulk or someone while REALLY high initial dmg) will build enough meter for her to come back as DPh.
My anti-DPh suggestions:
-Waste an x-factor to chip her to death as soon as you snap her in
-If you fail and DP rises, try to out zone (might be impossible)
-Learn to counter exchange combos (I think we ALL should try doing this w/in the first week)
You’ll have to keep her from getting started. Otherwise we know what’s going to happen. I don’t doubt that at some point, people will have some anti-DPh strat that will work for every team and she’ll fall to the wayside. But as it stands now, IMO, she’s top tier, along with Sent, Arthur, and Wesker (AGAIN, MY OPINION).
I’m hoping tomorrow we can clear up some of these ideas, assumptions, strategies and shit talks (I say that in jest). First MVC3 FTTTTTT tomorrow right guys? I will bring a full PS3 Marvel setup.
well most teams with phoenix will have to be built around her being the ancor and getting dark phoenix. On the other thing a lot of teams with 2 meters and xfactor can chip her to death as is. There is nothing to learn its already there.
And you want to have those 5 meters before u bring her out just because of the games random factor. I was watching some vids of her and people trying to build that last meter with her being the last character it almost never happens. She does not rush down as well as you think without xfactor speed and her zone was good but it doesnt build a lot of meter.
To logan no one is hating on the game, its hating on an obviously stupid game mechanic. Its the same thing we said about t6 before we played, and we were right. We still played the game but we would have kept playing it a lot longer if it ever got patched. I fully expect xfactor to receive a patch at some point the sameway sf4 got patched a few times.
To matt i know its the wave of the future, but it also kills the longevity of the games. Initially it does allow the casual player to feel like they are always in a match, but truth be told casual players generally plays a game til the next thing comes along anyway. Those who do keep playing eventually get better, and start to share the same initial complaints the veteran players had from the start. Where frustration builds and people stop playing. As for the tvc thing baroque is a fairly balanced comeback factor, the problem with tvc was bursts not baroque. In fact if xfactor worked like baroque does in tvc i dont think anyone would care. I think the only true reason capcom didnt go in that direction was that they want to avoid this game being labeled as tvc2 rather than mvc3.
Good points Adonis. I’m liking the actual discussion were having. I’m definitely not trying to say she’s free, just wanted to discuss tactics.
I hope we can all communicate and help each other figure out stuff so we can be good at this game, im really liking how hyped it seems everyone is so far.
G4L has copies of the game but not many if you want to pick it up today. They are not saving it for anyone unless they reserved it with $$. When you call them they may say they don’t have any when they really do. Picked up mine today at lunch, will be on Xbox live 2night.
Grabbing my copy tonight at midnight and i have tomorrow (tuesday) off. So if anyone wants to get a late night session going tonight @my place or w/e im down!!!
Jay
I appreciate the insight. My sentiments exactly.
Can anyone test if Chris’ ‘Go-prone’ move will go under sentinals low beam? and also will it duck Spencers bionic AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! lol.
I’m not sure if X-23 is viable or not. Her damage output is kind of garbage, so the only thing she can rely on is her mixup ability for resets…but mixups are pretty dangerous for her since her stamina is terrible.
Anyway, I’ve got the day off tomorrow, but I imagine there will be games tomorrow night at Andy’s?
Yo I preordered my copy at tennessee St gamestop and thier having the tournament at 9pm. Im about to head up there now. Doesnt seem like too many people are down to game (guess you guys want to hit up that good pmode) so ill be online with crespo and a few other folks getting in some Mu exp. after midnight.
I’m getting it from Ocala gamestop, will be practicing up some stuff for a sec, but I’ll be online if y’all are playing and I got tomorrow off as well.
(I say that in jest). First MVC3 FTTTTTT tomorrow right guys? I will bring a full PS3 Marvel setup.