Ok, I usually lurk…but I can’t help but make a few observations.
Azis, your article is interesting and well thought out. Congratulations on that. However, when it got to the point where you generalized the KoF series gameplay as a whole in one of your examples, it lost some integrity in my eyes. The games in KoF play differently. What flaw there may be in one KoF, doesn’t necessarily have to be in all KoFs. Simply generalizing this is the reason why others opined you don’t know enough about the KoF series enough to use it as an example…hence why they were explaining (and quite politely initially in my eyes).
Also…consider this following quote in your article:
"This characteristic puts the game in a negative view of the world’s top players of many other fighting games. "
Do you know this for a fact? Or is this just your opinion/assumption?
I see that you later changed your opinion to specifically mean Kof2002 rather than the “King of Fighters Series”. Perhaps you should specify KoF2002 in your article instead of the whole “KoF Series” to avoid this confusion to at least narrow down the debate.
This is the fact that we se in Evo, Ts, Sbo, also, players opinions. However, public is much more important when running a tournament.
It is not like a shift. I said KOF series because jumps are present a lot in all games. However, the focus shift came while explaining the videos, in the other games, like 98, KOF is different, while talking about KOF2k2, the imbalance between options become much more evident, that is when the analysis looks more like a direct critic, and there is a natural shift.
It is not like kof98 and 2002 have the same degree of imbalance, but both are imbalanced between options, it has the same basic formula. As 2k2 is much more imbalanced in that point of view, it becomes the focus.
Who sucks? The purpose of the video was not to show ABC, but to show solid poking in high level play with any character. It shows minimal usage of jumps in the way you said makes kof tactically unbalanced.
They are the best in Mexico and probably all of Latin america.
Statistics are too misleading, especially when you group a bunch of jumps used for different purposes, under one category “jumps”.
It is possible. ButI don’t see how. Probably, in a tournament,they play more carefully. Mexico is known as a country with high level at kof, some friends here was there, but what they say is that it is even.
Divide in how many categories you want, then compare to other tactics. Statistics is the best calculation method, I can bring some books references if you neglect that.
Ok. See later and tell me if they are good or not. They make few use of pokes and are aggressive.
Ok, Acidic Enema wrote something, but it just vanished.
And, yes, they suckx1000. I don’t know the name of player 2, but he sucks x1.000, at least at kof, so if you say he is Justin Wrong, besides a respectful name, it is logical to admit that, at least by this match, both players SUCK.
You can honestly tell me what you think. If you say they are “wow”, then… you’ll see. In advance, you don’t understand kof better than me. Sorry. You may know what are the good pokes and match-ups, but if you play like this and if you think they are good, then you suck too.
Again, I’m based on that video, maybe he was just playing with a little boy, for fun, and you have better videos to show me.
Yeah I posted a bunch of stuff and then deleted it. No point. You’ve exposed yourself enough, and I feel bad partaking in what’s clearly a one-sided roast. I’m out of this thread.
I only have one piece of advice left for you- if you want to talk about using ‘statistics’, for the love of all that’s holy, please take a college-level course on statistical techniques and applications lest you appear (har har) foolish.
When I said “wooow”, I was referring to your ignorance, not the players (although yes, the second player is a really good player from Japan). In any case, your last few replies definitely proved that this was some troll thread attacking kof, so there’s not much else to say here.
Plz azis stop making our country look ridiculous even more :crybaby:. I did warn you in our local forums that your “theory” of “tactical balance” is just your lack of knowledge/execution/skills and a bit butthurt for kof series being the most played here in brazil but seems you didnt believe me, now watch all these ppl making fun of you .
Ah, and gratz for being a retarded adding that random videos that I linked you in this “tactical balance” when all you asked me in that time was some BR matches :lol:.
Whats funny is other day in GGPO I asked azis to play some KOF98 matches (2k2 wasn’t available yet) with some conditions:
1 - I could not jump.
2 - He could jump whenever he wanted.
Result: 3-1 for me and he quitted :lol:.
Like some other dude said, try to count how many jumps are punished in marvel .
Well azis, dont be butthurt because your fav games are dead here. You are trying to ridicule a game just because you suck so bad on it? I would teach you everything you want to know about KOF2k2 or KOF in general so you can try to play in the same level as the other guys play. And plz dont come with your bullshit like “I know how to play KOF, I’m experienced” cause I saw it in KOF98 (13 x 1) and KOF97 (30+ x 1 or 2 cant remember), games you claimed to be “experienced” .
Seriously, your anger against KOF/SNK is too funny hehe.
Wow, awesome 3-1. I didn’t quit, I went trough ten, you won 10-2. Your point? You are a KOF master and I suck? Awesome! Go play Emil.
I’m angry? Why are you pursuing me! Leave me alone, demon!
The Analysis is quite right, Monge himself said that this is the game.
I cannot understand. The game is full of jumps, and you guys get mad on me because it is repetitive and full of jumps, nobody can say it, these informations should be omitted. For you, it is a fantastic repetition, insane tactical repetition.
Good, I love Xmen vs Street and I don’t cry when somebody says it is a one hit kill game. I like it. I don’t give a shit if somebody don’t. I do, that is what matters.
No. If your advices would ever be necessary, I maybe would ask for them.
Earthwalker comments on Emill top video:
“Se Top fosse assim to sem malcia, as vtimas como eu estavam feitos… O cara com quem voc est discutindo, acha que um contra de tops pelo combo no fim do vdeo s pode… e se forem tops jogando, no estavam muito inspirados (tem disso tambm)
Top no s saber fazer combo com o HSDM do Iori no…”
Translation:
“If Top were like so… no malice, victims like me would be happy. The guy (Emill) with whom you are discussing maybe think that this is a top match by the combo at the end of the video… and if they are Top players, maybe they were not inspired that day (that happens)… Being top is not only combo into HSDM with Iori.”
If I am not sensitive enough to notice how good some tactics are, neither Emil is.
I did watch the vid ([media=youtube]Ifs-x8dp35E"[/media]) and I can say those guys are pretty good, specially the P2. And yes, that match is pure high level.
And FYI, Emil is more than words. I’ve heard by some friends (specially AMK) that he is good in 98, and I played him in 2k2 (too bad was a bit lagged) and I can atest he is much better than you or than you think he is.
I dont know why are u still trying to prove something. Dont you feel ashamed of having all these people making fun of you?
This thread should be long gone. Even if azis analysis was flawless, the only thing this can do is to attract the rage of the KoF players, who are already screwed a lot by playing a non tournament game. Props to Dark Geese for trying to change that BTW
Now this thread becomes a point of gathering for the worst south american posters. It’s funny how those guys believe they can judge who is better and who’s not by just guessing. A bunch of little Emils. I don’t know how most posters here aren’t banned, but I do know that if the south american guys spent less time arguing and preaching piracy, and more time practicing your SNK players could have a shot at Mexico or Asia.
Sorry to be a dick, but nobody cares about your translations. Go back to argue in your local forums.
It has little to do with the combo at the end, although that was just icing on the cake. The video was a solid example of a top player that does not reveal all of his tricks until they are necessary or he has imposed a mindgame such that they would work.
The problem I notice with many players that are not top players is that they spam tricks from the beginning of the match when they aren’t even necessarily, or when they have not imposed a mindgame. They give away a lot of their game in the beginning. Top players are not like that for the most part, the guy in the video decided to just use pure pokes and not reveal the rest of his game (I’m sure the opponent didn’t expect to get punished like that at the end of the match after seeing his slow paced poke-based game.
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