Good stuff, thanks damdai.
If I’m using Ryu or Ken and I get crossed up by Hawk after a RH grab, how do I consistently do a reversal Shoryuken?
I can get it maybe 30% of the time by doing the crossup Shoryu command (HCB), and that’s only if I do it super late.
Most of the time I get nothing and get splashed.
And even if I get it Hawk blocks because the crossup is safe for him.
But I don’t care about that, I just wanna get it consistently so at least it’s an option for me.
I would rather block than chance getting hit. There’s a high probability of being dizzied if you get hit with the full crossup combo. Best case is that you don’t get dizzied, but Hawk gets another free ambiguous crossup setup after the combo.
I would just negative edge ending in the direction you need to block.
Ryu’s reversal tatsu is a better choice IMO
I know you were all just dying for me to post another video.
Excuse the awkwardness.
T.Hawk should be banned wid da quickness yo
Hello,
I have a question for you guys.
For typhoon buster, instead of doing (on P1 side after a cr lp) 47896323 + P, why not just doing 69874123 + P?
The dragon move (623) is split, first direction at the beginning of the typhoon buster move, and 2 last directions at the end of the typhoon buster move.
If you spin fast enough, it should work (6 frames max for 6 and 2 directions according to srk wiki), what do you think about that?
You can just try it in training mode. It won’t work that way.
Sounds very unpractical man.
I tried in training mode, for some reasons, it works but not consistently.
I was just curious to know why it doesn’t work that well.
On the contrary, if it worked consistently, it would be more practical since it’s just a 360 move.
I think their point is that you can’t land it consistently, which is why they use their preferred method.
If i understand correctly, you’re saying:
forward -> up forward -> up -> up back -> back -> down back -> down -> down forward + punch
will yield an uppercut? I can’t get that to work at all.
I made a shit video about typhoon/dp installs. That’s the most practical, if not only way of doing it as far as we know.
youtu.be/9u4MNj_R2RI
Perhaps a hajiki screw would be needed in order to reach ↓ before the timer ran out (6 frames or less, with no walking forward at all). That’s pretty hard, unless one is using a programmable pad.
Your vid is great, Moocus!
JUL, one of the issues with 270 inputs is that every main direction (→, ←, ↓ or ↑) triggers the special move timer, since any of them is valid as the first part of the command. Thus, in fact, 270 motions are actually 8 possible motions, all of which will yield a special move¹. If you are crouch-blocking, you either use one of the adjacent main directions (← or ↓, as P1) as the first direction, or you wait enough frames for the timer to end before using any other direction as a starter. Trying to leave 
directly into neutral or any other direction that’s not adjacent is not consistent, so several “possible” motions end up not being useful in actual matches.
¹ The possible motions are:[list]
[]clockwise: →↓←↑, ↓←↑→, ←↑→↓, and ↑→↓←
[]counterclockwise: →↑←↓, ↓→↑←, ←↓→↑, ↑←↓→[/list]
Thank you all for your answers.
oldschool_BR, your explanations are very clear. So, basically, it should work (i did it a few times in training mode), but it’s not viable.
I’m very interested in that knowledge concerning buffer/timer, but i have not been able to find anything about that on srk wiki.
According to you, as soon you hit the first direction of a move (for hawk, any direction) a timer is set.
Let’s take a srk move, according to srk wiki, here are the data => f(6), d(6), df(9 for a lp)
How do i have to understand that? as soon as i have hit f, i have 6 frames max to hit d? then as soon as i have hit d, i have 6 frames to hit df? then as soon as i have hit df, i have 9 frames to hit lp? is that it?
What if i keep the first direction pushed more than 6 frames? a new timer is set…and so what? for an intermediate direction, the move would fail, but for the first direction why would it fail?
I believe its 11 frames for lp(Jab), 9 is for strong.
Anyway, if you keep holding forward, after the 6 frames, the tiemr is reseted, simple as that.
→ [0~6f] ↓ [0~6f] 
[0~10/9/7f] Jab/Strong/Fierce => actually, it would be 10 for jab but nevermind.
So the timer system has absolutely no impact on the first direction ? you can hold it, and start the move whenever you want? that’s why walking dragon is possible i guess.
I need a clarification on that please.
Thanks!
I’m not exactly sure why, but walking dragon-punch seems to fail for no apparent reason sometimes.
I have this feeling too… would it be related to that timer system?
You are welcome!
The timer works as you described:
being that whatever you do in that 6 frame period does not matter. It could be holding → for 5 frames or touching → and waiting 5 frames. But if the next command is not entered, the timer resets and you don’t get that special. So if you try holding → and finishing the motion after a random amount of time, you will often not have enough frames to reach the next direction and the move will not come out. Even programmable pads would fail sometimes.
Here is the full situation I was describing, assuming P1 side: you are holding while doing Jabs as a tick, and eventually (from one to three Jabs) you intend to try a safe Typhoon. If you could guarantee a transition from to whatever main direction - or neutral and then another main direction - then there would be no problem: the timer would never be triggered when you don’t want it. So let’s assume you always touch ↓ or ← before reaching any other direction. This triggers the special move timer for typhoons (and the super, in case of N.Hawk), which is 6 frames, and there would be a much shorter time to complete the motion if you try it as soon as possible. In addition to it, the command demands that the motions are entered in order, e.g., if you touch ↓ then the game expects either ← (clockwise) or → (counterclockwise) as the next step. So if you try, say, into counterclockwise motion starting in →, here’s what could happen:
while ticking;, you reach ←, which triggers the timer for typhoons:
is unnecessary;They often fail. All you can do is to input the motion as fast as possible so as to increase your chances. There is a post of mine with detailed results for perfect walking DP commands and their results. It would be something like a number of positive results, then 2 failures, then positive results, 2 failures, and so on. There’s a 2-frame window such that walking DPs always fail.
Thank you so much oldschool_BR, that’s very clear to me now.
If there are any new players wanting to learn T.Hawk, I’ve made a youtube playlist with all the videos worth watching (or at least the ones which helped me understand the basics of T.Hawk):
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfK2-zwaq3-L4AFgOB1BN2C8-tC8M855C
Thanks to all the people that created those videos 