T.Hawk Unblockable against Sagat
Hey just wanted to say, I really appreciate the research you guys have put into Hawk. I find I’m often using your contributions to improve my game steadily.
I especially appreciate daftmarc’s 3 frame safe jump, it actually makes using mp typhoon worthwhile sometimes.
And Doopliss, I’ve admired much of your work for a while now!
Thanks Dontdothat, you should check out Sunlightman’s vids he has great vids on safe jumps that will also help you out.
Thanks, I appreciate it. Can’t wait for USFIV so that I can finally make some more stuff in this game.
Capcom just made all of our new tech pretty much useless with this delayed wake up.
Yeah. I’m gonna do my best to combat it when I try Ultra on DH.
Any off you guys had a look at the proximity os stuff? Any usages for t-hawk?
how do you do the Prox-OS?
I have a good set-up, but it’s quite hard to do something from it, since it’s from cl.LP. Basically, after LP SPD; safe jump and do cl.LP when you land. You’ll be at somehting like -2, then maybe you can Proximity OS EX TB and do SPD if it doesn’t trigger.
Doopliss how do you even do the ProxOS ? I’m thinking we can make ST.HK less punishable on whiff by ProxOSing either ex spd or spire.Is it possible to even os dash?
Since you seem to have figured it out, I’ll answer the other questions. It doesn’t change the frame data in any way. I don’t think you can OS dash, since dash already has a buffer window normally.
Sorry I wasn’t clear,I meant that Proxy OS could be used in situations where St.HK whiffs making it harder for the opponent to punish it .
Well, if you can use the OS, then you can simply block their punish attempt instead.
yeah, it’s not worth that hassle.
hey guys, based off sunlights youtube channel on his tech.ive come to some understandings based off my own tech and including his that peeps might find interesting.
a useful tool for option select dash grab is off a condor spire that has made contact. u can input the option select just at the very end of a condor spire for great results. if they dont move u will straight away grab or jab, if they dash you will dash immediately and grab.
OS jump jap-condor dive/U2 …if you are without ultra this is still a great tool but i would generally go for jump jab-condor/ex typhoon, this covers almost all reactions from the opponent (where actually the ultra option select leaves you highly open if they crouch), second i find thesimply jump jab-condor dive/3p’s to also cover most options and leave u safe if blocked.
the safe jump set-up set off ex-condor spire.i find simply to not work as u can wake up whenever u want.
on some of my own tech:jab,jab/ultra 2…lightkick/ultra 2
you mostly want to go for jab os. a great use is after blocked ex condor spire.it will jab covering all ground options apart from dp.it will catch all neutral jumps and back jumps, though not forward jump.
ive been trying to figure out howto OS back jumps without ultra 2 i have come to a few answers. you can neutral jab/jump forward heavy kick. this will infact cover most jump escapes but not all if theyve made some distance before jumping back. if they for forward jump you will need tochoose a different option such as neutral jab/up jump heavy.
a more general option that is not an option select but will cover all jump escapes, is comitting to answer by jumping forward but not the button. from here just react to what the opponent is doing, this is actually a much stronger position for t-hawk than most consider as we have many options including jab condor dive for quick reaction, u land much faster than opponent and still have advantage. condor dive by itself if they hAVe made distance this will still catch them before they land.of course if they dont actually choose between CD, body press accordingly.
has anyone a good way to utilise proximity block os typhoon?
An OS I use in certain matchups
Hey DaftMarC, When doing this OS, how are you executing it exacty? Obviously, you are inputting LP SPD with normal throw, I am aware of this interaction…but what is the directional input that is allowing you to block…Also, are you waiting after the sweep before you dash or are you dashing right away, and then waiting in front of them? Lemme know man because this OS is GDLK.
Drummerkilz, I’m just taking advantage of the game’s input latency. When I dashed I inputted the 360 finishing it on back not letting it go,I then held back a few frames then inputted L.SPD OS grab.The most important thing about this tech is the timing, the sweep isn’t really important.