Super Street Fighter II Turbo, in the house

[Kyokuji]

Dhalsim’s one of the few characters you can’t just tiger shot to death

[Shirts]

Its all in the rhythm. Master getting them down in practice mode. You dont have to do them super fast…just do them in a smooth 123 rhythm and they will all connect. Practice until it becomes second nature

Cr. fierce is a great poke but it leaves you open. Low strong is good but it can be blocked high and low if I recall correctly. Fierce rekka punch from max distance is a great poke and it does chip damage. You can usually do one and stop and get away with it because you are still safe to block. Do 2 of them thats where it starts to get tricky. You wanna stay within the max range of Fei’s fierce rekka punches…that is his best zone for offense. Anywhere outside of that and you are nothing more than a mini e honda(meaning you have all of his weaknesses for getting in to do damage). Use regular moves as pokes if you like, but my main poke are the rekka punches. Learn that first before moving onto the other trix.

Well, like I said before…PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Its pretty much a yoga flame motion(HCF+Fwd flip)…its very similar to a tiger knee motion. There are so many ways to use this kick its kinda crazy. Its a great combo starter because you can connect standing fierce after the 3 hit…sometimes you can just connect 2 of the hits from the kick and still combo. It crosses up if you can time it right. It juggles. It has funny start up animation properties(invincibility) and has even crazier priorities in the air. You can try mastering 2 in 1’ing the kick off of feis regular close punches but its risky… Using Fei period is risky because hes a brawler fighter. Much like Gief, Honda and anyone without a projectile. There is nothing Fei has that is 100 percent like Ryu and Ken. You have to get a feel for your opponent and guage their confidence. If you see that they fall victim to meaty attacks then exploit it. If you get reversed left and right then you will have to back off and try another way. I focus all of my game around my opponents self confidence because I am betting that they will fuck up and pay dearly for one mistake vs me eating a reversal. Its a risk but the payoffs can be huge.

This is one of my favorite fights. A smart guile can almost ALWAYS keep fei away with booms and trading hits…and again this is where staying just outside his low fwd kicks range(aka max rekka punch range). If you are quick enough you can punish guile for missed low fwd kicks. Take it from me, you will eat alot of low kicks and alot of booms so be on your guard. Low fierce works great because it can counter guiles low attacks cleanly most of the time. Your best bet is to not let guile breathe and once you are inside use tick throws…bait him into missing his reversal flash kicks and punish him with big damage rekka combos…just dont let him breath because once he pushes you back out its back to square one again and you have to get back in to do damage.

Many players love to watch and mimic other players strats. Take bites and leave the rest. Thats fine but just be sure to come up with your own mix of strats. You can learn someones strats off of a video but nothing is going to teach you more than taking your beatings and learning from your mistakes.

Man, you’re a nerd.

[NKI]

I can be a lot nerdier than that.

[System_1]

Its all in the rhythm. Master getting them down in practice mode. You dont have to do them super fast…just do them in a smooth 123 rhythm and they will all connect. Practice until it becomes second nature

Cr. fierce is a great poke but it leaves you open. Low strong is good but it can be blocked high and low if I recall correctly. Fierce rekka punch from max distance is a great poke and it does chip damage. You can usually do one and stop and get away with it because you are still safe to block. Do 2 of them thats where it starts to get tricky. You wanna stay within the max range of Fei’s fierce rekka punches…that is his best zone for offense. Anywhere outside of that and you are nothing more than a mini e honda(meaning you have all of his weaknesses for getting in to do damage). Use regular moves as pokes if you like, but my main poke are the rekka punches. Learn that first before moving onto the other trix.

Well, like I said before…PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Its pretty much a yoga flame motion(HCF+Fwd flip)…its very similar to a tiger knee motion. There are so many ways to use this kick its kinda crazy. Its a great combo starter because you can connect standing fierce after the 3 hit…sometimes you can just connect 2 of the hits from the kick and still combo. It crosses up if you can time it right. It juggles. It has funny start up animation properties(invincibility) and has even crazier priorities in the air. You can try mastering 2 in 1’ing the kick off of feis regular close punches but its risky… Using Fei period is risky because hes a brawler fighter. Much like Gief, Honda and anyone without a projectile. There is nothing Fei has that is 100 percent like Ryu and Ken. You have to get a feel for your opponent and guage their confidence. If you see that they fall victim to meaty attacks then exploit it. If you get reversed left and right then you will have to back off and try another way. I focus all of my game around my opponents self confidence because I am betting that they will fuck up and pay dearly for one mistake vs me eating a reversal. Its a risk but the payoffs can be huge.

This is one of my favorite fights. A smart guile can almost ALWAYS keep fei away with booms and trading hits…and again this is where staying just outside his low fwd kicks range(aka max rekka punch range). If you are quick enough you can punish guile for missed low fwd kicks. Take it from me, you will eat alot of low kicks and alot of booms so be on your guard. Low fierce works great because it can counter guiles low attacks cleanly most of the time. Your best bet is to not let guile breathe and once you are inside use tick throws…bait him into missing his reversal flash kicks and punish him with big damage rekka combos…just dont let him breath because once he pushes you back out its back to square one again and you have to get back in to do damage.

Many players love to watch and mimic other players strats. Take bites and leave the rest. Thats fine but just be sure to come up with your own mix of strats. You can learn someones strats off of a video but nothing is going to teach you more than taking your beatings and learning from your mistakes.

It’s easier to sweep Guile’s low mk with cr.rh on reaction and then you’re on top of him. If you never mess up I suppose Rekkas are smart but cr.RH is much easier to take advantage of and less likely to get you into trouble.

[NKI]

NKI, a question. Who do you think is the better matchup/has the best chance of winning against O.Sagat… Dee-Jay, Bison [Dictator] or Vega [Claw]?.. and why?

I would say it’s Claw. He is just too fast, so he can get around Tigers more easily than anyone other than Sim.

O.Sagat vs. Sim:

Whats the deal with this matchup?

It’s actually a pretty bad match for O.Sagat. I don’t even know what O.Sagat can do, to be honest…

[System_1]

Quick question regaring Sim’: when my opp. jumps in close (possibly to crossover), what’s the best move? Is headbutt a reliable toll in this situation? Or should I go with close/back lk/mk/hk? Or just a plain old jab (chop)?

I play against almost the entire cast with friends, so any generael info would be appreciated for any character.

TIA!!

[System_1]

I am watching you eKs…

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Thanks!

I would say it’s Claw. He is just too fast, so he can get around Tigers more easily than anyone other than Sim.

Thanks! Another question… against Chun, whom do you think has the better chance and why? DJ, Vega [Claw] or Bison [Dictator]…

[Khiempossible]

Thanks!

Thanks! Another question… against Chun, whom do you think has the better chance and why? DJ, Vega [Claw] or Bison [Dictator]…

DJ>Dic>Claw

I believe NKI believes Chun owns Claw for free. I play DJ, and I never have a probem with Chun.

[jms]

Thanks! Another question… against Chun, whom do you think has the better chance and why? DJ, Vega [Claw] or Bison [Dictator]…

This is a good question.

DJ>Dic>Claw

I believe NKI believes Chun owns Claw for free. I play DJ, and I never have a probem with Chun.

Deejay is not great against Chun–favorable matchup for her. The sad fact is that the only thing Deejay has going for him against Chun is landing a combo off a mixup. Otherwise, you simply have to outplay the Chun. Chun should play conservatively, limiting Deejay’s opportunities to jump in or crossup, until she has meter–and this is quite easy for her to do. Her ground game is stronger than Deejay’s, and that’s not even considering her super.

I don’t know the Chun vs. Claw match personally, but I’d put my money on Chun. Dictator vs. Chun is a great match. I feel it’s very close to even. If I had to play one of the three, I’d play Dictator vs. Chun.

[system]

I don’t know the Chun vs. Claw match personally, but I’d put my money on Chun. Dictator vs. Chun is a great match. I feel it’s very close to even. If I had to play one of the three, I’d play Dictator vs. Chun.

Chun is one of the harder matches for claw because she completely dominates him in the air, which is the realm that most vega players are used to having the advantage. Also she can even out poke him which is rare. Your standing roundhouse for some reason which is usually an allpurpose anti-air gets stuffed frequently by her j. roundhouse and I believe even j. mk.

Also what happens is you get stuck trying to charge his flip kick for anti-air because it’s the only thing that can beat her jump ins reliably, and then you get stuck in a poke/throw game with two high-speed walking characters, and Chun seems to usually win that one. Also you don’t have a jump in that can reliably defeat lightning kicks, so if you try to go for a crossup or just jumping over her you will get thrown the majority of the time.

She easily defeats walldives with jumping forward too.

I consider Vega one of my most solid characters (I am very VERY mediocre as a player though) and I have problems with even semi-decently played chuns, it’s a huge uphill battle because Vega doesn’t have any advantages to take advantage of against chun, you just have to flat out be a better (and harder working) player than your opponent to win this matchup.

But note that I am not a high level player or anything, so NKI or any of the people better than me feel free to correct me. :karate:

[matttai]

hi, i am a gief player and i am having some pretty big difficulty against Dj.
its mostly a distant boom game which i then lariat through and he then trys to slide me . i then try to spd but they whiff as hes recovered by then and is back to his boom game.
i cant do any jump ins as i seem to be beaten cleanly by his air spin kick no matter what move i use…

[Tantin]

hi, i am a gief player and i am having some pretty big difficulty against Dj.
its mostly a distant boom game which i then lariat through and he then trys to slide me . i then try to spd but they whiff as hes recovered by then and is back to his boom game.
i cant do any jump ins as i seem to be beaten cleanly by his air spin kick no matter what move i use…

…Well, if you’re getting in with the lariet, and Deejay’s slide misses, why not just bait the slide and do a c.RH, or green hand to SPD?

[N-Trade]

hi, i am a gief player and i am having some pretty big difficulty against Dj.
its mostly a distant boom game which i then lariat through and he then trys to slide me . i then try to spd but they whiff as hes recovered by then and is back to his boom game.
i cant do any jump ins as i seem to be beaten cleanly by his air spin kick no matter what move i use…

This is a pretty useless post as I’m not a gief player but, I think this match is in his favour as I’ve seen daigo pick gief as a counter to deejay a couple of times. Wasn’t really payin attention but I don’t remember him jumpin in much. Also, a lil trick, he used repeated cr.jabs as dj was wakin up. This seemed to stuff all of dj’s wakeup reversal attempts (or at least beat out the spin-kick) and from there I think u can go into spd.

[CigarBoB]

Gief player to the rescue!

Gief V DJ

You will have 2 parts to this match.

Part 1.

DJ has you zoned outside of his slide range. He will continually throw maxouts and then aa you if you jump or sweep you when you try to advance with lariat. And he can even st.RH you while the lariat is recovering and as an antiair from max range. This can be very difficult to get through. What I will do is position my self just out side of his max slide range and kkk lariat his maxout. If you guess right you can then begin to smother him with j.shorts and splashes and dont forget the d.lk in the air. It will stuff or trade with the slide. Once you get in get the sweep in or a MP throw. This will allow you to advance on him when he is down. And that leads to part 2. If you dont get the sweep/throw you will be reset and back in part one all over again.

Part 2

When you get your knock down force DJ into the corner. DJ is then at a disadvantage you can cr.jab him on wake up and it will strop his rising dredkicks and normal dredkicks clean and set you up for a SPD. All Dj can do at this point is attempt a reversal throw or super if he as meter. But being that DJ builds meter rather slow I doubt he will have it at this time in the match. So now you are in a guessing game with DJ and Gief has the upper hand. If you predict right DJ will be dead in 2-3 rotations of this.

If gief does not get DJ cornered with a knockdown he is at a great disadvantage. I would say its 70/30 DJ. When Gief has DJ down in the corner it flips 70/30 Gief.

Have fun.

[NKI]

Quick question regaring Sim’: when my opp. jumps in close (possibly to crossover), what’s the best move?

If they’re going for a cross-up, the most vertical move he has is back+Strong. The chop (back+Jab) is all-around good, but it really depends on the move you’re trying to beat. He doesn’t have a Shoryuken-like move that will beat everything.

Thanks! Another question… against Chun, whom do you think has the better chance and why? DJ, Vega [Claw] or Bison [Dictator]…

Claw, DeeJay, Dictator, in that order.

Claw for the same reasons he beats everyone else. He’s fast, and wall dives are cheap. After a knock down, Chun has absolutely nothing she can do about wall dives. Upkicks lose cleanly, and Spinning Bird Kick leaves you open. He can simply jump over fireballs on reaction. I’d say 5/5 or maybe 6/4 Claw.

DeeJay can turtle just as well as Chun (or better), but he has problems with her rush down st.Strong, and if he loses his charge (after throwing a fireball), she can pretty much jump at him for free. Not a bad match for DeeJay, though. I’d say 5.5/4.5 Chun.

Dic actually doesn’t do too well against Chun, I think. She has so many things that Dic just has no good answer for (st.Strong rush down, j.Forward, meaty D/F+RH, etc). The only thing he has against her is st.RH to trade with fireballs (damage is greatly in Dic’s favor), and juicy cross-up slide (cr.RH) after she techs his throw. Yuu Vega is definitely better than me at ST (he has the best Dic in the world, no doubt), but I was able to beat him some matches just because it’s tough for Dic. I’d say 6/4 or 6.5/3.5 Chun.

I believe NKI believes Chun owns Claw for free.

…? I don’t remember saying that, but if I did, then I was mistaken. I don’t think Chun owns Claw. It’s a pretty even match, because Chun can counter everything Claw has, but Claw can counter all of Chun’s counters if he knows what’s coming.

Perhaps you’re referring to when I said Chun owns Claw on the ground? Her lightning legs beat pretty much everything he has on the ground, but that doesn’t mean she wins the match for free.

[Khiempossible]

Turtle it up. Chun controls that match on the ground because lightning legs beat all of Claw’s normals, and upkicks beat his jump-ins. He has to take it to the air, so it becomes a guessing game between wall dive, punch wall dive, and wall dive fake-out. Chun has an answer for all three, but you have to guess right. If he does real wall dive, just do jump back medium kick. (Or if he tries to do real wall dive off of your wall, just air throw him before he gets to the wall.) If he does punch wall dive or wall dive fake-out, just fireball him. Please note that my match against DSP at Evo2005 (battle for 5th place) is a perfect example of how to NOT play that match. If anyone (Spence?) got my matches against Tokido on tape, that is a much better example. Also, I think I have my matches with DSP during the 3rd (private) ST tourney on CigarBob’s cabinet, and that’s also a much better example of how to play that match. If that got recorded (which I think it did), I’ll up it.

K I misquoted you. I just recalling hearing “beat all” and “answers for all three.” My bad.

[matttai]

hi,
just wondering does anyone have any ideas for a gief vs dj matchup?
i’m a gief player and it gives me problems.
usually its a keepaway boom game, then attempted slide after lariat through boom. i’ve tried spd after his slide but it’ll whiff cause hes just out of range.
jump ins are hard cause i am beaten cleanly with all the normals i try jumping in with with his spinning air kick

[Tantin]

hi,
just wondering does anyone have any ideas for a gief vs dj matchup?
i’m a gief player and it gives me problems.
usually its a keepaway boom game, then attempted slide after lariat through boom. i’ve tried spd after his slide but it’ll whiff cause hes just out of range.
jump ins are hard cause i am beaten cleanly with all the normals i try jumping in with with his spinning air kick

…You just asked this! It was answered three times!

[matttai]

…You just asked this! It was answered three times!

LOL! Omg i am so sorry my bad i so missed it i thought it didnt post when i pressed through last night and the last post about chun vs vega looked the same hahaha

and thanks for that ciggybob and everyone else

[ANaqvi]

Gief tactics:
Gief’s principle strategy is knocking an opponent down and than either performing multiple jabs into piledriver or other jump in ticks. A crossover from Gief will probably lead to at least a piledriver. I noticed some tricks that work really well and was wondering if anyone knew of any more. The first good one that works against most characters well is performing a light standing kick upon wake up. The opponent will be expecting a piledriver and will try to perform a reversal. Let him whiff the move and then piledrive him (medium punch not spinning piledriver). You now have a crossover ready. Oh, and this works well against DJ. When Ryu or Ken is knocked down let them whiff a dragon punch and then perform a banishing fist. I used to sweep them, then as I got better I would walk up piledrive them, but I think doing a banishing fist is the best bet. That way you can have a free crossover. Against Guile figure out the sonic boom pattern and then do a banishing fist. The guile player will probably feel safe throwing the sonic boom and go for a jumping roundhouse. After you negate the sonic boom, crouch and then perform a lariat. Another crossover is ready. In general, I noticed the banishing fist can be used as an anti-air which will lead to another crossover. If anyone knows of any other crossover setups or Gief tricks please let me know.
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