Super Street Fighter II Turbo, in the house

fatboy · January 26, 2007, 10:40pm

Cool no worries. There aren’t many Dhalsims as good as yours… (i can only think of two in the US: Cole & Alex Graham)

I know their are differnces between the two. I can only speak from the New Sim POV in this match up.(from my experiece…which could be wrong )

i.e…
It is a little harder to throw people around with New Sim. as compared to O.Sim. O.Sim seems to have better throws (in fact I think there was a thread a long time ago where you went in to all that)

if they are placed right, Deejay can beat New Sim’s St.RH w/ Jumping jabs. Check yoga book hyper. The hit/damage boxes boxes are spaced inversely to each other betwen the characters. Sim deos have the advanatage but it is very minor (hit box wise).

New Sim’s short slide can get hit by DeeJay Cross up. if Sim DOES manage to aviod it Sim’s get thrown when Deejay lands (a la Chun Li’s JpFw. forward/ Blanka’s Cross up Short.)

Don’t get me wrong, Sim can use the slide to avoid the Cross-up and press the advantage. But the pressure is on Sim. If the character jumping attempts a deep cross up or starts to vary the timing on his cross up. Sim can get nailed IIRC. That is why I discussed the using st.Jab & st.strong, (and Kick x3 teleport if in the corner). They are a little safer to counter the Cross-up, though not as rewarding damage wise.

Cole was at my house at the end of November, we tried the short slide/cross up with stituation with Blanka (granted we did not spend much time with Deejay, but AfroL does the same thing) and it was 50/50 wether or not the slide dodged (it all was up to the attacking blanka, depending on when blanka decided to stick out the short) . Even though it was 50/50 the damage reward for blanka was much greater.

Then again my timing on all of this is probably not as good as yours. to the :badboy: of O.sim… LOL:wgrin: j/k

If any of this is wrong with New Sim let me know. I would be more than happy to correct anything. I am just trying to get the information out there. This has just been my experience. I have spent a lot of time looking at this match up, and this is what I found. However, **I don’t want **to get the wrong infromation out there. God knows I have been guilty of it before. :xeye:

JeRon · January 29, 2007, 3:58am

Just wanted to drop in and say Good Shit to NKI! There are alot of winners but there are few that actually win and bring back to the community. You really go all out to help people and thats great! Much respect for you NKI! I hope to face you somewhere in the immediate future!

Jeron

System_1 · January 29, 2007, 8:54pm

I’m sure ST will be at Evo this year; buy CCC2 and you won’t be disappointed.

Graham · January 30, 2007, 2:00am

Unfortunately for his return he didnt train properly imo, nor did he train with the right people. From what my brother tells me he wasn’t even close to his old level of play for his brief comeback. Its too bad really because if he did play seriously and at his old level, you guys would see things that would shock you.

edit: my brother keeps procrastinating about contacting Thomas through email, id like to talk to that old guy and bug him to come back again but this time train with the wolfe brothers.

geadom · January 30, 2007, 7:19pm

Graham: I wrote a few questions for you a couple pages back. Can you please answer them?

Toodles · January 31, 2007, 4:03am

Resubscribing.

Graham · February 1, 2007, 1:57am

Well It still holds up the strats, it was a taste of the mentality back in the golden era. The tier page, is somewhat imbalanced, but alot of the top tier are still just as powerful.

I dont know if we will make japan, we’ll see how the money thing goes if we wanna fork out that much cash to fly there for sbo.

Balrog has no real weaknesses, if you cant beat honda or sim, keep practicing. I believe both are very beatable. Just watch my matches vs my brother at evo west for some rog vs sim strats.

Ill be a nice guy and break down honda for you since its such a wierd match for balrog compared to all the rest of his stuff.

Rog vs Honda:
You’ll want to ram on standing jab to counter his headbutt attacks and upward splash attacks. You don’t attack in this match , its a defensive match, unlike every other match of rogs. Learn to be patient and youll win. I substitute low strong for standing jab when i know ill connect to do alot more damage vs the missile. If you’re near the corner you should charge up the headbutt attack so you can stop him if he tries to sit on you.

Snowe · February 1, 2007, 2:29pm

This has been bugging me for awhile. Recently I watched the Alex valle casuals where he vsed his friend. Anyway he was Ken and vsing a really good balrog player. Whenever the balrog player grabbed him and started headbutting him Alex would always get out in two headbutts. No matter how quickly I rub the buttons I can only get out in 5-7 headbutts. Does anyone know how?

System_1 · February 1, 2007, 2:37pm

Maybe you’re mashing too hard? I’m not sure; I just know that Rog’s headbutt is one of the easiest throws to mash out of. You don’t even have to mash that much, just wiggle the stick.

NKI · February 3, 2007, 7:07am

Make sure you’re mashing AND wiggling the stick…

System_1 · February 3, 2007, 12:41pm

Do some holds naturally … um… suck, more than others?

When using someone like Guile, you try to not “wiggle” so much back-and-forth to keep your charge. But sometimes it seems that Rog just headbutts over and OVER…

I don’t know if what I’m asking makes sense, but do you know what I mean?

Are they all equally the same, or do I just hate Rog? :wgrin:

Footsy_Bebop · February 3, 2007, 10:30pm

Sorry for the repost, but these seems pertinent and it didn’t get answered before.

Seems to me that when japanese players get caught in noogie maneuvers, they seem to mash out really quick while maintaining their charges
(i.e. Chun mashing out of a Sim noogie, but keeping the down charge for the upkick move). Are those players just mashing buttons when they’re getting noogied? or are they also wiggling the joystick from offensive crouch, crouch, defensive crouch, still maintaing the charge but getting some joystick movement to get out of the noogie?

System_1 · February 4, 2007, 12:42pm

Why not set up a little experiment and see for yourself? Shouldn’t take too long. You’d have to do a few repetitions and average to reduce the effect of extraneous variables but I’d bet it wouldn’t take many before you got pronounced results.



joystick    buttons    number of headbutts
none        none
45654       none
12321       none
14741*      none
none        mashed
45654       mashed
etc.

* heh, awkward!

On an unrelated note Capcom released a discount version of Hyper Street Fighter that fixes some of the problems in the original release:
Input for Vega’s wall related moves fixed.
Super Sagat and O.ST.Sagat had tiger shot recovery fixed.
etc.

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-40-77-7-49-en-15-street%2Bfighter-70-1pg0.html

Maj · February 4, 2007, 1:02pm

Um, i’m pretty sure the number of hits holds do is at least somewhat randomized. Of course damage is randomized. But the point is, sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you get owned.

System_1 · February 4, 2007, 3:26pm

:wow:

Any more info on this?

EDIT: How can I tell which version is which, and can I buy it over here in north america?

NKI · February 5, 2007, 3:37am

You have to wiggle the stick too.

I dunno what other players do, but I mash both the stick and buttons for about half a second, then hold down/back and continue mashing the buttons. That way I get out fast and have a charge when I land.

System_1 · February 7, 2007, 2:27pm

INH is releasing a DVD set for X-Mania 7 at the end of this month.
X-MANIA 7 -THE BIG TIME-

Three DVDs (282 matches!):
one HSF
two ST

Audio commentary by Gian and Otochun.

Booklet with brackets, interviews, etc.

They have some sample movies up:
http://www.inhgroup.com/item/xmania7/

EDIT: oh yeah, Daigo beat Gian, YuuVega and Tsuji back to back. Pretty fucking beastly for a guy who had an off year overall in 06.

Play-asia carries other INH discs so it seems like a safe bet that they’ll stock this. They never got the Starting Over re-issue with the 2nd bonus DVD, “The History of X-Mania,” though. (I emailed them a while ago to no avail)

N-Trade · February 7, 2007, 4:21pm

Awesome, thanks for the info… I’ve just preordered at playasia. Do you know where I can find some of the older x-mania dvds?

BoggleMinds · February 7, 2007, 5:30pm

Thanks for the heads up. The sample vids are also on YouTube:

[media=youtube]KBK4kAMJ7tM[/media] (AE matches)

[media=youtube]kRT8Bqy9OXk[/media] (ST matches w/ commentary by Gian and Otochun)

[media=youtube]8xPWAVEvVS0[/media] (ST matches. Daigo’s Ryu is still Ume-beastly!! )

System_1 · February 7, 2007, 6:26pm

Short answer: You can’t.

Insanely long answer:
Here, I typed up a list of ST DVDs:
EDIT: couple minor things

Super Battle Opera (2003)
Format: DVD
Price: 8900 yen
Available: ?
http://www.amazon.co.jp/???DVD???-SUPER-BATTLE-DVD-TRILOGY-DISC1/dp/B000094FWT/sr=8-14/qid=1170853770/ref=sr_1_14/503-1209497-2823162?ie=UTF8&s=videogamesEDIT: whoa that link didn’t work
There’s an affiliate seller selling a used version there…
On the net: Here and there.

Grand Master Challenge
Format: DVDs (Box Set)
Price: ~1000 yen each or ~10,000 yen for all 11 discs (437 matches!)
Available: Yes
http://blog.livedoor.jp/gmc_ssf2x/archives/50019489.html
Would Dara (GMC producer) be willing to interact in English / ship overseas? Seems unlikely.
On the net: Samples
I linked to the various samples a long time ago on this thread. Many wound up on youtube.

X-Mania 2000
Format: CD-R
Price: Free
Available: No
In the past, one could go to the Sugamo Carrot arcade and exchange blank CDs for the X-Mania videos.
On the net: Maybe
Some old X-Mania videos are available on Japanese P2P (Winny and Share)
Sftchina.com might have them.

X-Mania 2001
Same as X-Mania 2000

X-Mania III
Same as X-Mania 2000

X-Mania IV
Format: DVD
Price: 500 yen
Available: Yes
http://cart03.lolipop.jp/LA05100086/?mode=ITEM2&p_id=PR00100603076
Would Irika be willing to ship overseas? Don’t know.
On the net: Quite a few on combovideos.com.

X-Mania V
Format: DVD
Price:
Available: No
This was available primarily to people who actually attended X-Mania VI. I don’t know how NKI and CigarBob scored their copies.
On the net: First round @ combovideos.

X-Mania VI
No

X-Mania Gaiden and X-Mania VII
INH DVDs @ Play-Asia
If you don’t yet have The Starting Over (X-Mania Gaiden) I’d recommend waiting until …nevermind
On the net: Samples
See my above post. Also: http://www.inhgroup.com/item/st2/

Star Cup III
Format: DVD
Price: ?
Available: Yes
You would have to track down The SuperStar (Boxer player) and buy it from him in person.
On the net: I upped a few to putfile. Those links died but Guoguodi re-upped to youtube.

Star Cup IV
Same as Star Cup III

Neo Star Cup Prelims @ Mikado
Format: DVD
Price: 1000 yen
Available: Yes
http://blog.mi-ka-do.net/?eid=178444
Buy in person @ Mikado
On the net: Samples
On Mikado’s site and youtube.

Neo Star Cup
On the net: Coming soon! I’ll post more information when these get uploaded.

Master Secret Cup
Format: DVD
Price: 1000-1500 yen
Available: Yes
http://cart03.lolipop.jp/LA05100086/
See X-Mania IV above.
On the net: Samples here
http://stand-headup.sunnyday.jp/movie/sf_select.htm
A few complete files on combovideos.com. gracias r3ko

Mark of Finale
Same as Master Secret Cup

Las Vegas Cup
Format: DVD
Price:
Available: Yes
http://vegashyperst2.srv7.biz/0302etc2.html
Buy in person @ Ikebukuro Las Vegas
On the net: Samples
I posted the skinny on the recent batch of vids on my blog.

Mikado Year-End Tourney
http://blog.mi-ka-do.net/?eid=229445
See Neo Star Cup prelims above.

Oh, just to be clear, I don’t own any of the above. Erm, and I’ve linked to anything I’ve found “On the net” in the past.