top doujin?
Guilty gear
Blazblu
Tatsunoke vs capcom
fist of no ken
…All of those are not doujin at all…
- Nobody plays it. If people don’t play it, why have tourneys for it?
- It’s not good enough for people to want to play it. People are obviously aware of it, but they’re still not playing it. That’s a flaw in the game engine obviously that doesn’t make people want to continue playing it after trying it once or twice.
- It’s a boxing game, those are never as popular as standard fighters.
- The characters are really big in comparison to the screen, that’s very different from standard games, and it doesn’t quite make people want to play it because it’s too different, and not in a good way.
- It takes a long time to do one round.
- As far as I know, there’s not nearly as much fancy stuff that can be done in that game. Without the fancy stuff, it becomes both uninteresting to play and watch. It’s not like the other doujin fighters, which at least have fancy stuff and crazy fast mixups and stuff, its very slow-paced, which is fine for some, but most would get bored of watching i’m sure. This also relates to point 5 of it taking a long time to play.
- Its released in JAPAN ONLY, and on computers. What other Evo game has been JAPAN ONLY released, AND on PC only?
Live with it. People don’t like your game. I love QoH 2001 Party’s Breaker (way better than any SF game), but it’s never gonna be a “tournament” game. Guess what? I’m not crying and asking people for reasons why. It’s not popular, thats just how it goes. If you enjoy your game, awesome. But don’t sit there and expect everyone else to.
The funny thing is you don’t actually substantiate this claim by clarifying what you like.
Example : "Nero’s 5c sux, Warc’s is quicker"
Instead you beat around the bush and use terms like “come together” and “interesting”. In the next sentence you talk about properties but yet again don’t clarify.
All in all these are pretty transparent statements. And at the end of your post you think people don’t like GoF because of its art.
I think visual properties are the most important thing to you.
I thought “tourney viable” ment balanced and deep, but apparently it means popular and good looking. :wonder:
You know it! 
Is VF balanced?
Is it deep?
yes to both.
However, the unbalanced MvC2 has a way bigger tournament scene.
As it was said, having very few players makes it REALLY hard to have tournaments.
marvel is just as deep as vf
You could probably drop that last bit.
At least that’s a better definition than: “has little girls and air combos where you mash buttons”
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I don’t really understand these last two comments(what’s queen of hearts got to do with it?), so let me clear things up a bit 
Someone wrote “I like how nobody actually tries to explain why GoF is not tourney viable.”
And someone else responded with a list of reasons that seemed to largely not be about gameplay.
And this didn’t match well with my definition of the word “tourney viable”(which I would read as meaning something like: “balanced enough to hold a tourney with in theory”), hence my comment.
And btw, I have no idea and no opinion as to if GoF(Gleam of Force?) is actually tourney viable, as I have never played it.
wait how is efz anything more than guilty gear lite
iamp i definitely understand because it actually does something kinda new with the genre and does it well, but i don’t get efz at all
enlighten me, people!
EDIT: i will also add that monster had the potential to be an awesome game, but two things killed it:
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the later patches (or maybe just patch, whatever) were terrible. nerfed just about everyone, EXCEPT the two best characters.
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more importantly, bursts did not belong in that game at all. thanks to the point system, you could convert them into big combos (even a practical 100% in the case of Delga!). there is a very good reason guilty gear has huge damage scaling on combos from bursts & dead angles.
Yeah for a game to be really “tournament viable” it has to have some kind of competitive balance, but (probably more importantly) it has to have a lot of people interested in playing a tournament of it.
Games like SSBM or Marvel might not be wonderfully balanced, but they keep on having tournaments for them because there’s enough people to run good tournaments and it’s balanced enough that you can keep playing it competitively, the game doesn’t just break. Last note, Marvel may be deep, but it’s not balanced. That’s why only 6 or so characters actually get played by serious tournament players out of a roster of upwards of 50.
to be fair, you cant combo after a burst post 1.01 (i think that was the version #…). also in monster ac bursts are done.
I never thought of it that way, but god damn you’re right.
How is my list not about gameplay? Over half the list had to do with gameplay. Reason 2 is that the gameplay isn’t good enough to make people want to continue playing. Reason 3 is that the gameplay is that of a boxing game, which isn’t very well liked. Reason 5 has to do with the gameplay because if it takes too long to do one round, then the gameplay doesn’t offer enough to satisfy the needs of players who don’t want to take forever playing. Reason 6 is similar to 5 in that because you can’t do fancy stuff, it’s not fun. Because you can’t do high damaging things a lot, it takes forever.
I gave reasons about the gameplay itself and the fact that outside the game, it isn’t well recieved. What other reasons do you want? Any game that has a winner and a loser can technically be tournament viable. I’ve had tournies for Mai Otome before, does that mean it’s a tourney viable game? I’ve had tournies where every button except one is banned in certain games, does that mean that playing the game with those rules are tourney viable? Just because a tourney can be held for it doesn’t mean its “tourney viable”, unless you’re going by the literal definition in which every possible game that has a winner and loser is tourney viable, then yes, you’re correct. Shaq-fu is tourney viable then. Have fun with that one. :rolleyes:
Dandy J - Notice I never said VF was deeper than marvel, I just said it was more balanced than Marvel. Read again.
Yeah, but they’re all “the gameplay is like this and it’s not popular”, so it all boils down to “it’s not popular”.
I’m not saying your arguments are bad, they just don’t match my interpretation of “tourney viable”. Of course you can hold a tourney with any competitive game, but to me “tourney viable” means it’s a game better suited(taking into account only the games own qualities, ignoring things like how many people wants to play it) for competitive play and tournaments. It’s very hypothetical, kinda.
And herein lies the confusion.
But this is getting way off topic, so lets end this discussion
1st, does anyone know a legit website where you can buy Doujin fighting games at?
What is this GoF game? What does GoF even stand for?
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody is my favorite Doujin game. EFZ is pretty cool too.
I bought SWR from himeyashop.com.
Gleam of Force. [media=youtube]SWtMcphsAug[/media] - Should tell you what it’s like ^^.
Same. Love SWR to death. I never played Eternal Fighter Zero, though.
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thank you sooo much for that link! I finally found Lucky Fighter II! I’ve been dying to get my hands on this.
Luck Star does Street Fighter II
As for GoF, it looks like it would be fun to play for 20-30 minutes. I can’t imagine taking a game like that serious enough to even consider tourny level play.