We all use superhero feats to a large extent in our daily debating over whether Wonder Woman could beat up Jubilee, or whether the Sentry could take Prof. X, etc. But there doesn’t seem to be a clear cut list of feats for each superhero anywhere.
I don’t know if any of you want to help me out in this endevor, but I just decided to create a master of list of every majour superhero, along with all their feats, in order of best to worst feats under each hero.
This list was just put up this morning, so its obviously no where near done. The only hero I started was the Hulk, and a lot of the info came from wikipedia. Eventually I want to put references to each comic book that each feat came from.
If you have any suggestions, corrections, or comments post them here under this topic, or email at:
Long ago, when I was young and foolish, I spent a lot of my time posting on comic book forums - specifically the forums that housed versus threads, which would be where all the theoretical Batman vs. Captain America/Superman vs. Thor/A vs. B/etc. discussions would happen.
I’m not particularly proud about that period of my life.
Consequently, I can recite from memory practically every significant Batman, Captain America, Wolverine, Daredevil, or Batgirl feat there is, and I will argue to the death that Captain America would beat Wolverine 8/10 times in a standard equipment, non-prep, PIS/CIS free fight in the Khazan Arena. This depresses me at a level beyond which you can understand.
Anyway…what you’re looking to do…has been done already. For practically every single comic book character out there. If you looked in the Rumbles board at CBR, or looked through the SHC forums…there’s all sorts of these type of things there - where the feats of a particular superhero have already been documented by a legion of fanboys, complete with scans and usually issue number as well.
Generally they call them “respect threads” and there’s one for practically every character there is - there’s a Beta Ray Bill respect thread, for God’s sake - I’ve see it with my own eyes.
Is there any way that post-Crisis Batman and pre-Crisis Superman don’t completely rape everybody else? Is there any way that Wally West shouldn’t rape everybody else?
No, Wally West is pretty much completely unbeatable in a theoretical, killing intent, arena fight.
The fact that he reacts instantly at superspeed once the bell rings automatically puts him above everyone without superspeed, and that lightspeed punch against the white martian Zum in JLA #3 means he can take superdurability guys out.
Using the logic in versus battle discussions, there should never be a Flash or Superman issue that lasts longer than three panels.
Panel #1: Bad stuff
Panel #2: Superspeed beat down
Panel #3: Witty one liner
Unless we go up a tier to the cosmic guys (ie. Silver Surfer, Thanos) a theoretical Flash that exhibits the upper limit of his powers is pretty much unbeatable in a non-prep fight.
But I’d say Dr. Doom is the king of prep time fights in the non-cosmic tier. Magic and technology - two great tastes that taste great together.
What tier is Grant Morrison? Creator tier? He basically altered reality with a couple keyboard strokes back in Animal Man #26. Theoretically, he ought to be able to defeat any foe and overcome any scenario.
Also, I think someone with crossdimensional teleportation abilities will be able to neutralize Wally West. Say… The Doctor from the Authority. All he has to do is say, “Door” and transfer Wally to a universe in which the Speed Force does not exist. After that, the Doctor’s vaguely defined magical prowess will make short work of the Flash.
^ 1 thing I didn’t get is how the fuck can’t Flash beat Superman-prime? I mean he can steal his super speed and give him the multi-punch of a lifetime.
Anyway I think, Barry Allen would beat Wally West due to the fact that Wally is a moron at times. Seriously he has all of this power and always forget to use them alot of times.
He could, if the Doctor were just standing around. What if the Doctor’s floating around in the upper atmosphere, or straight chillin’ back on the Carrier or someplace where Wally can’t easily reach?
Now, if we’re sticking with Clinty’s “killing intent, arena fight” scenario, in which flying into the stratosphere and crossdimensional teleportation are not allowed, then the Doctor probably won’t have a chance. But banning such tactics would be like banning Cable at an MvC2 tourney. You gotta give every player a fighting chance to at least compete. Ain’t no such thing as cheap - ain’t that what S-Kill said back in the day?
Wally’s one of the best and most powerful, but he’s not completely unbeatable. I think Lacuna from X-Statix could take him down. I think she could create a time-ripple and then kick Wally in the balls a few times or something, 'cause his powers are speed-based, not time-based. Zolomon Hunter might be able to counter Lacuna, but it would be a near-even matchup in a straight up Lacuna Vs. Wally battle.
Doop would be able to take down Wally, too. He would just fly somewhere Wally couldn’t reach, and then pop a pimple. It’s almost too easy.
im supporting wally as unbeatable. instand sound barrior break to light speed grab = your ears are ruined (and obviously in pain) and stolen speed to the point where they can’t even fucking blink (all-flash 1).
Darwin adapting by teleporting away from an unbeatable force would be like pulling the Gambit glitch in MvC2. Maybe it counts as a win on a technicality, but no one would respect that.
So what could Wally do against fliers? Throw rocks at hypervelocity? Spin his arms, create miniature tornadoes, and cause an updraft?
I guess all those fights would come down to whether or not you would start standing on the ground when the bell was rung - as according to standard rules, I believe you are. So in that case, most guys would be blitzed before they could fly away.
Otherwise…I don’t know, he’d have to throw rocks at you, I guess.
That’s probably why I stopped in the first place…there’s really nothing analogous with theoretical comic book fight arguments with the actual comics themselves. Because you’re not even really talking about the characters as per their average portrayal - you’re using the most suped up, highest level feats they’ve ever done before - you take the outliers and assume those are the norm.
Like even for the Flash…he never starts at straight up lightspeed. And he has no agility or dexterity when he’s accelerating - just look at all the times he’s had trouble dodging shrapnel bombs that are staggered across a street (JLA #25 vs. the Ultramarine Corps) or even successive bolts of lightning from Weather Wizard (Geoff Johns’ run…Crossfire?).
Anyway.
Flash can indeed run with an acceleration faster than gravity, which is why you see him run up buildings sometimes and sideways and all that. But that’s only if he’s got something to run ON…so like…it’s difficult to run straight up into the air…because there’s no ground to run on. He can’t run on air.
The infinite mass punch was called that because as he accelerated towards light speed, the mass of his fist would increase accordingly as per the theory of relativity combined with insane comic book physics. So when he hit that white martian (with Superman level durability) he only needed one punch to knock him across the continent.
And I don’t know if the last issue of Green Lantern Corps fully represented Ion…because throughout the thing, I don’t even think Sodom Yat used any powers or tricks that were outside of his Daxamite powerset. If I remember correctly, he barely even made any giant hammers or whatever to smash Superboy with. I remember Kyle was doing some crazy stuff as Ion before - so chalk that up to inexperience with the Ion power on Sodom Yat’s part.
Moving on to another topic…who is cooler? Sodom Yat or Sodom from SFA?