Super/AE General Discussion: Abel, Adon, Akuma, Balrog, Blanka

nosone · January 3, 2011, 7:58am

Discuss The Abel, Adon, Akuma, Balrog, and/or Blanka match-ups here. Relevant tips will be quoted in full for the first few posts. Video submissions are very welcome. Once AE becomes DLC and everyone’s converted, the Super section will be deleted.

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Abel

Super

AE

Adon

Super

AE

nosone · January 3, 2011, 7:58am

Reserved for Akuma/Balrog/Blanka

Akuma

Super

superlollo:

For using HK CW to escape Akuma’s vortex:

It will work but it’s risky…you’ll most likely escape the df kick or you’ll get hit mid air causing a reset which is good for fei long…but if akuma did demon flip palm you’ll fly over him and he can sweep on reaction and you’re back to square one.
If akuma does df palm OS sweep to catch backdashes and you go for CW instead you’ll usually recover in time so you won’t get punished for your whiffed chicken wing.

Df kick can stuff flame kick for full combo (ex flame kick will beat df kick but beware not to whiff it) and crossup tatsu will hit you out of it every time…you can use CW to safely escape crossup tatsu tho.

So basically yeah, akuma will mix you up and you have to mix up your defensive options…there is no universal answer but fei has decent ways to get out of akuma’s vortex…i’d say mix hk CW, backdash and most importantly BLOCK…I’d say flame kick is the worst option unless you’re really sure you will hit (for example a non properly spaced demon flip).

Balrog (Boxer)

Super

nosone:

Meaty cr.HK. Here are the situations:

Headbutt/Regular dashing punches: Untechable knockdown

EX Headbutt: Dodge and punish (not sure how large the window is, but I normally just do cr.LP xx Rekkas, needs more testing)

EX Uppercut (blowback version): Dodge and Flame Kick/cr.LP xx Rekkas or block [[Please re-test]]

EX Upper (combo version): Dodge and block only
5) EX Straight/ground straight: No good–Fei gets hit
6) EX Overhead: No good–Fei gets hit

You can also do this in block strings as a frame trap for the same effect. Do cr.LK (x1, x2, or x3) > cr.HK. If Balrog tries to squeeze in any of these moves, you get similar results. As a frame trap though, there’s less time to decide when to block if you choose to do that (since you don’t get the luxury of starting up the move while your opponent is downed). What’s good about this is that it makes him second guess throwing out that random/wake-up headbutt or dashing punch. Mix it up with throws to catch his dashing punches as well.

If Balrog blocks the sweep, I believe his best response would be a return-fire sweep, although it’s a 2-frame link. I also haven’t tested if the pushback from Fei’s cr.HK makes the 2-framer even tighter (1-frame or no link) for Balrog. I’m guessing that his cr.MK would be too short to reach though, so the probability of being punished with a combo is low to none.

Also, if he misses the punishment and you block the sweep, you can reversal with HP Super. Any blocked sweep can be reversal’d with HP Super (HP only).

cr.MK also stays pretty low to accomplish a similar thing, but I find that its less lenient. cr.HK stays lower to the ground for a longer period of time (during recovery) while cr.MK starts low, but recovers a little higher allowing it to be punished. There’s also little threat from cr.MK unless you have Super stocked; with the untechable from the sweep, you can set up additional pressure and force the opponent to really think about his wake-up options.

otori:

I think the best OS against him is meaty :df::lk::db::df::mk:~:lk:. It beats every dash punch aside from EX Straight, puts you in block if he EX Headbutts and is easily confirmable out of. It loses to super, EX straight as mentioned, both ultras and backdash outside of corner. Midscreen you can do :d::lk::df::r::hp::d::lk: to catch backdashes, but you will lose to EX Heabutt and the same stuff above.

Remember that his dash punches are not safe and poorly spaced straights can be punished with s.jab x rekka (maybe only the fierce ones, not sure). I focus a lot in this match up, since it’s very footsie based, you can some times catch rush punches and the ones that can break armor are easily punishable. Never jump in on him, since he has one of the best AA normals and the always present risk of heabutt > ultra.

I also like U2 in this match, since it’s a science proven fact that every Balrog will spam jabs like there’s no tomorrow. This is, however, a very personal/preference oriented decision. If you’re pro, you can also OS U2 as :d::df::lk::d::df::r::hk::mk::lk: (all credit to neville in the Lab Findings thread).

Blanka

Super

Spartan_Throne:

You can punish Blanka Balls (horizontal) with:

-Dash forward > 1x LP Rekka then finish with HP Rekka.
-Reversal timing MP Rekkas, where the second Rekka connects.
-Reversal Ultra 1 just hits Blanka’s hitbox with the second hit and goes into the animation for 435 damage with full Ultra, but be wary of this, as in some cases (about 15% of the time) it will whiff even if you have reversal timing, why that is, I don’t yet know. Anybody have any idea why that is?
-EX Blanka Ball can be punished in the same ways, though I am not entirely sure if it is slightly more punishable.

In the corner you can punish with pretty much anything, except the problem is in timing it so that you hit him when he’s landed, instead of catching him in the air. You can punish blanka balls on hit with tonnes of room for error.

nosone · January 3, 2011, 7:59am

Reserved in case

Dyllyn · January 9, 2011, 9:28am

anyone got ideas on punishing blanka balls? i’ve been trying it in the lab but i can’t get anything that i can reproduce on a regular basis

jason24cf · January 9, 2011, 10:49am

Dash as soon as you block then go mp rekka>hp rekka x2 or as soon as you block MP rekka all the way. With online it might get blocked but that’s the best punish off of block until AD hits consoles and it will be more easy with distance reduced on blanka ball on block

Nyoronoru · January 9, 2011, 11:13am

Hard to do online, but I always do MP Rekka and hit him with the second and third hits of the series.

Dyllyn · January 9, 2011, 12:22pm

so reversal mp rekka is the failsafe?

H1gg1n5 · January 9, 2011, 12:23pm

mp rekka to punish blanka balls must be done on rev ersal timing. Meaning if you see the “Reversal” txt pop up then keep jamming on mp rekka, if it doesn’t appear STOP as you can be punished hard if you continue to rekka. Also U1 can punish blocked blanka balls on reversal timing as well, but can only be done from a standing block if i recall correctly.

Spartan_Throne · January 9, 2011, 5:55pm

So, to clarify the above few posts:

Blanka balls must be blocked standing and not crouching to be punishable mid-screen.

You can punish with;
-Dash forward > 1x LP Rekka then finish with HP Rekka.
-Reversal timing MP Rekkas, where the second Rekka connects.
-Reversal Ultra 1 just hits Blanka’s hitbox with the second hit and goes into the animation for 435 damage with full Ultra, but be wary of this, as in some cases (about 15% of the time) it will whiff even if you have reversal timing, why that is, I don’t yet know. Anybody have any idea why that is?
-EX Blanka Ball can be punished in the same ways, though I am not entirely sure if it is slightly more punishable.

In the corner you can punish with pretty much anything, except the problem is in timing it so that you hit him when he’s landed, instead of catching him in the air. You can punish blanka balls on hit with tonnes of room for error.

This post brings the question, wasn’t there a punish guide with Fei somewhere on the board? Is that linked to in your mega thread Nosone??

nosone · January 9, 2011, 8:33pm

That guide was for vanilla only and had a few holes. I think it was formulated on frame data only, with a few specific punishes. The master thread will have punishes attached to it for reference, so check back there as these things are discussed.

H1gg1n5 · January 10, 2011, 1:34pm

So does anyone know a good adon… I mean I have no clue how this matchup playes out, lol. I end up getting smashed most of the time… anyway if anyone knows one lemme know asap!

nosone · January 10, 2011, 8:37pm

Contact PrymeStar. He’s on my list and one of the higher-up Adons. There’s also sicksfeet and Ramen Addict. Ramen is the best (5000+PP and higher BP than Gamerbee lol), sicksfeet is about on the level of Pryme (4500+PP).

FreddyL0c0 · January 10, 2011, 9:46pm

btw, u dont need to be standing to punish a blocked blanka ball.

off a crouched block position, u can still dash, then light punch rekka.

HNIC_Mike · January 10, 2011, 10:41pm

if you fight prymestar expect a lot of mashed DP. im suprised he has gotten that high

nosone · January 10, 2011, 11:00pm

He does do that to start. Through longer sets though, he’ll wise-up. Most of my Adon experience comes from him and sicksfeet. sicksfeet is probably the sharper of the two. Ramen’s just beast, but I haven’t played him enough.

H1gg1n5 · January 10, 2011, 11:06pm

awesome thanks!

Spartan_Throne · January 10, 2011, 11:56pm

Damn, my mistake, is the timing tighter though? I thought crouching gave the BB more hitstun, does it in fact give it more pushback?

Edit: Double damn. All of the punishes work the same when crouched. Damn that miss leading Cody video!!!

Nyoronoru · January 11, 2011, 4:52am

Blocking while standing leads to less pushback: that’s all.

Dyllyn · January 11, 2011, 11:09am

lol at everyone getting trolled by that “cody guide to punishing blanka balls” video (myself included)

XBlades · January 11, 2011, 12:59pm

I play a good Adon player down here at SoCal. And i gotta say… you can stuff most of his stuff by just doing st. Fierce… even the Adons st. RH when spaced properly… other than that… hes very dangerous when he gets in… very fast throw…DP wit meter obviously… and very hard to execute reversals; when looking for the mixups to jaguar kick. as he can instantly do the jump jaguar kick or tooth…