Well you get the idea.
That was something I didn’t consider.
I would maybe put up a how to guide for console sets up in the future.
If I do, I am going to keep the guide as basic as possible for accessibility.
And links for more information and details.
I dunno how PS4 is catching heat over this. It’s your TV. You can manually set the thing to “PC Mode” or “Game Mode” or whatever regardless of the input being used. Use Google to figure out how to do so for your particular brand & model. Even then, by the way, it may have significantly more lag than other displays (larger TVs tend to have worse response times in general).
My TV’s game mode is actually quite responsive*. It’s probably as good as the 360 via VGA. You can’t manually set it to PC mode, but I’ll try again just to be sure.
However only the 55" Samsung has this. The Bravia’s lag unless through VGA.
*after thorough testing after my conversations with Darkusaul
That’s quite alright. If you actually read my posts you’d see I understand and we’re on the same page.
But it seems that instead of actually reading my posts you’d rather just not, and then act like a dick and find something I said out of context to get upset about.
I was being nice to you, even saying “thank you” in posts and private messages while you were being a dick, and all for what, asking you questions? When people ask me questions I don’t laugh in their faces treat them poorly and at the end of the day you gave me horrible advice so all your technical knowledge really amounts for jack shit if you don’t know how to treat others or make solid recommendations.
My TV’s Game Mode is quite good actually in terms of lag, it’s virtually non-existent. However Game Mode adds, of all things, screen tearing, and just a nasty picture compared to say, Xbox 360 through VGA.
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The fact that my Xbox 360 has a nicer picture than my PS4 is unacceptable to me, so Game Mode can suck the big one for this reason, I’m finding a better way.** At least there’s no lag in game mode, thank God, and for now I’ll settle with the shit picture and screen tearing.
DVI is out of the picture. There is no DVI input on any of my displays, including my PC monitor. However, supposedly, some DVI can convert to VGA with no lag, and -maybe- no processing but don’t quote me on that. So as ghetto and crazy as it sounds, an HDMI to DVI then DVI to VGA might actually work. Again if there was a way to trigger PC mode on my displays without this then I wouldn’t buy these cables. And Even though DarkSauhula doesn’t approve, he want’s me to use laggy HDMI or jank Game Mode, I’m trying this and I’ll report back my results.
You want lagless yet your other thread you say wifi is acceptable, you don’t want to use Game Mode, you think a huge 55" TV is lagless(probably because you can’t notice the different between no lag and 3+ frames that your TV most likely has because low lag large TV’s are very rare.) HDMI is what’s tested and the best for modern consoles on modern monitors/TV’s in terms of input lag.
Game Mode does not add screen tearing, the console/PC is in charge of vsync, not your display.
Try it out and let us know, but I’m doubtful that daisy-chaining those cables will work.
Mainly because HDMI-DVI cables still keep all signals digital, while DVI-VGA cables pass analog signals. From my experience, these wires are simply pass-throughs with different connectors, so in theory, you’d be plugging in digital signals into your TV’s VGA port that’s expecting an analog signal.
I feel what’s making your quest difficult, if not ultimately fruitless, is:
- Most modern TVs seem to ONLY turn on “PC mode” when the VGA is plugged in. I noticed this on my most recent 3 flatscreens. I remember I had an older TV where I could turn on “PC mode” on any input I wanted
- VGA is a dying standard. The industry has been moving away from analog signals, because digital signals are much less prone to interference, and much easier to reconstruct from a data/signal recovery/repair perspective. Many moderns screens don’t even include VGA as an input anymore, and many/most video cards on PCs/laptops don’t include VGA as an output either.
I think if you’re 100% intent on plugging in your PS4 into your TV’s VGA jack, your only options might be something in the HD Fury line like @NotANoob81 suggested, or get Micomsoft XRGB unit.
I find little difference between wired and wifi. **That said I now have my 360 (PS4 online is down) connected through Ethernet. ** So everyone can calm down now the sky isn’t falling now.
I use game mode, you’re not listening. Through Game Mode or VGA it is “lagless”. The TV is capable of “lagless” play. I went as far as hooking my PC into it, the mouse doesn’t lag, it’s “lagless” (even though I know technically there is imperceptible 1000’s of a second lag with all gaming and monitors even vintage). Once you reach 60 milliseconds, then you start fucking with the game, then it becomes noticeable because then it interfears with the game’s 60FPS rendering. So That means that, via VGA or “Game Mode”, my 55" has <60ms of lag, or 1 frame. At least it feels that way to me. It feels identical in response time to my vintage consoles which are hooked to a CRT or when I visit the local arcade who has rows and rows of Sega Vs. City cabs and classic game boards.
No. HDMI, you have to use game mode which means: shitty picture, with my TV screen tearing, or something resembling it, comes through. So Game Mode SUCKS. I’d much rather go into PC mode, because there’s no lag and I get a respectable picture where my blues aren’t brown.
Well genius I don’t know what to tell you because I get this “screen tearing” only in game mode with Both 360 and PS4. 360 through VGA does not have this screen tearing issue. And remember I call it screen tearing it’s obviously not the same as the in-engine screen tearing we are all familiar with, it’s a weird TV issue.
And this is with the Samsung. With the Bravia’s, forget it, HDMI lags period and there is no game mode or anything you can do to mitigate the lag except turning off a few settings which mitigate it slightly but don’t eliminate it. The only way to get lag free on my Bravia’s is with VGA so right now they are 360 only TV’s.
You’re totally correct. Thank you, finally someone who get’s it.
I have my doubts about he daisy chain. It seems crazy, it does, but according to my research, DVI to VGA, with certain DVI cables, not all, as strange as it seems, can laglessly convert the picture and by convert I mean no conversion, no processing. Again this is based on an hours research, it could be totally wrong, I’m willing to spend 20$ on cables, it’s worth it to experiment and try to find a solution, because as you correctly pointed out, the only way into “PC Mode” is through VGA.
RE: your second point. I know the industry is moving away from VGA, but those are very stupid reasons. I think the reasons have way more to do with money. I mean I’m using VGA for this Screen right now as I type this, in 1080P. According to some nonsense I have a “degraded image” which I can assure you is not the case lol. It’s all money. They’ll make up reasons so the nerds accept the switch but at the end of the day money drives any big change like this. I feel like I’m seeing the results of some of the industry brainwashing that happens, like that “HDMI fanboy” and I never thought as long as I’d live there would be such a thing.
I’ll totally report back the results. I’m getting a straight HDMI to VGA cable in the mail tomorrow. I highly, highly doubt this will work, but I’ll let folks know, it’ll be a while before I get the other cords if at all I have to do more research.
Of course your find little difference between wired and wifi you clearly don’t know what lagless means. Just because your mouse doesn’t lag to you doesn’t mean it’s lagless, like I just said you clearly can’t tell the difference between no lag and 3+ frames. Your TV is 100% not capable of lagless play. Why don’t you actually read that people are telling you in this and the other thread you made? Seems to be going right through you.
Large screen Bravia TV’s actually had some of the lowest input lags, but you probably didn’t look up the sites some people told you to look at like displaylag.com
I know this is a double post but I have to make this really clear and simple and kill any potential “drama”.
HDMI, on my Sony Bravia HDR and Sony Bravia, both 1080P, Game Console or PC, lags. And there is no Game Mode or way to mitigate the lag. Only Xbox 360 or PC hooked via VGA is “lagless”.
My 55" Samsung has Game Mode, which produces “lagless” gaming. However, there are serious image quality issues. VGA via 360 or PC looks great and has no lag.
I’m currently researching solutions for PS4. I’m trying a few things and a 25$ investment, some cables and just ideas I’m trying. I’ll report back the findings. Thank you for your input and help everyone.
I am not using Wifi with my Xbox 360 for online 3rd Strike matches. I’m using direct connection, this PC and message brought to you on Wifi now. iPad and Phone are WIFI or 4G.
On an aside, I’ve had one TV where, in order to enable “Game Mode”, you’d have to actually (and simply) set the input label name as “Game”. It really wasn’t obvious in the in-unit menu and options, but it was in the instructions. Might help for your Sony Bravias.
Stop, stop, stop.
You come here to ask the experts, then all you do is argue with us when all we try to do is to help.
This drama is in 3 different threads now.
No, no you didn’t. Don’t even try to go there. I will call you out on all your Bull Shit.
All you did in Private Message was to ask me more questions that are related to this thread which I decided to ignore rather than reply.
The fact you even brought up that you did PM me and then lied about the conversation tells me feel you can’t be reasoned with.
Um you want me to post the pictures? I said thank you at least twice.
You’re arguing with a wall. All I was doing was asking questions and proposing outside the box ideas/solutions. Your “expert advice” was to use HDMI even though you know that lags with my Bravia’s that don’t have game mode.
Maybe if you dropped the ego you’d learn something. I’m trying some different things out that may or may not work. I may find a solution that nobody has tried yet, which is the HDMI to DVI to VGA daisy chain. You can bawk and lol and get all upset because I’m trying that, and not just settling for laggy HDMI, because I’m “defying the mighty experts” in your mind by simply doing my own experimenting, whatever. I thank you for the things you educated me on, and I’ll do it again: thanks for teaching me about HDMI and VGA.
I’m trying to kill the drama. There’s nothing to be upset about here or in any of the threads.
Not going to work, don’t bother. HDMI and dvi both are the same type of digital signal. You can’t go HDMI/dvi to VGA without some sort of signal conversion.
Your answer is HD Fury 2
Thanks but I worry that a device like that will lag, given that it’s using processing no?
I already found a solution: It wasn’t the HDMI, or VGA, it was the TV’s “PC Mode”. There is a quirk with my TV to force it into this mode, which turns off most if not all post processing effects, and get’s the console/PC/whatever into the most “lagless” mode possible, IE at the mercy of the display itself’s lag, which thankfully isn’t bad at all.
Can’t go beyond that regardless of input, I’m at the limit. For my other TV’s that might do the job, but it’s not worth it for me right now.
I really don’t understand you, this isn’t an opinion based thing. It’s a science, there’s numbers, there’s facts why are you being so hard headed?
ParryAll parries all answers.
Obvious troll is obvious.
About what?
I’ve been parrying trolls left and right since I came back.
I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. Someone suggested a 170$ cable. I said thanks, but no thanks because I already got a solution from another member of SRK, which maximizes my setup to the point where now I am simply at the mercy of the display’s internal lag, I can’t do better than that.
I think you’re seeing something that isn’t there.
Question, if I use a hdmi to dvi cord and then a dvi to av cord off of that can I plug that shit into my baby CRT without any added lag or what? No, I don’t care about sound.
Doesn’t work like that at all. You will need some kind of signal processor to change the Digital to Analog.
Not making a lot of sense. If hdmi and dvi are both digital signals why will dvi to av work but not hdmi? Your response is not specific enough. Also since this apparently wont work what’s the least laggy option for the hdmi to av conversion?