“composite or HDMI” do you mean component? Important to know the difference.
A SD CRT receiving a 480i signal won’t lag in displaying the signal (oh the beauty of analog), I don’t know whether the PS3 has shenanigans in downscaling to where it makes the image come out of it later than it actually happened in the game, but I don’t think it does. There are some shenanigans with PSX and PS2 games having inherent lag when played on a PS3 but that’s due to emulation (generalizing here, I know the PS2 compatible PS3s have hardware) and not scaling.
Personally I keep a CRT around for timing-sensitive standard def games, but I acknowledge it is an extreme solution.
And I heard the PS3 has shenanigans like that. The 360 has an internal hardware scale device whereas the PS3 uses it’s software to up or downscale a signal, yeah. So I heard. I don’t know if it’s unreliable info but I know it uses software for that.
Do you still mean composite? If you’re plugging your PS3 into a HDTV then you should use a HD-capable connection, of which HDMI and Component are basically your only options. Component is that signal with red/blue/green video plugs and composite is that yellow plug that’s only capable of SD.
Lots of crosstalk here but it sounds like we could all use some clarification
Sorry that’s huge. There can’t be processing because there’s no chips here. Unless I’m missing something.
Also, I’ve found this whole “image degradation” stuff to be nonsense. VGA looks gorgeous for 360, I actually prefer the softer look to HDMI and Component. VGA monitors were doing 1080P and higher res on PC forever, why would a console “degrade quality”?
VGA is Analog (it deals with waves and voltage levels)
HDMI is Digital (all Ones and Zeros)
There no way to get a VGA source to become HDMI or vice versa without a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) Chip.
That cable you linked us to has a tiny chip hidden somewhere (most likely one of the plugs).
With your PS4, you are stuck using HDMI. (unless you find a reasonable HDMI to display port converter)
The only format you can safely convert HDMI into with a cable is a HDMI to DVI cable, that DVI end only does digital out and you will lose audio.
Its because HDMI video encoding is based from and uses the same protocols and interface as DVI.
HDMI is backward compatible with single-link Digital Visual Interface digital video (DVI-D or DVI-I, but not DVI-A).
Doe DVI to HDMI make sure your color space is set to RGB and not YCbCr. Also DVI is not HDCP compliant.
The struggle is real. With that Piece of Shit VGA to HDMI cord expect inaccurate colors, image that is too bright or too dark, blurry image, noise, lost of resolution, on top of possible worst input lag.
And that assuming the darn thing even works.
The Xbox 360 (and the Dreamcast) is designed with VGA in mind. The PS4 doesn’t support any analog output.
Every time you take a video format (such as HDMI) and change it’s format, you are going to loose clarity. It is like making a photo copy of a photo copy you are going to degrade the image.
Also the PS4 outputs HDCP compliant video, take a note of that.
Like I said I can only speak for Xbox 360, VGA was fantastic, the way to go.
I have an enormous LED Samsung. Using HDMI on any console, no matter which settings you turn off, game mode on, doesn’t matter, still lags (you can reduce but not eliminate it)
However with VGA, lag is GONE. It’s perfect. Most of the TV’s settings are blacked out, all digital BS is completely inoperable which is what you want! Lol.
I went ahead and purchased a 6ft HDMI to VGA cord. 7$. If it’s garbage then oh well I’m out 7$.
Honestly, if there isn’t a solution, then it’s either BenQ monitor, or PC.
Not true, VGA goes into PC Mode, similar to Game mode, you can by pass some but not all the post processing.
You are also assuming your HDTVs DAC isn’t shit ether.
i don’t pretend to know what a DAC is. Digital to analog converter?
All I know is that when I hook up my 360 via VGA, it looks fantastic, zero lag and all of the post processing options of my TV are greyed out.
Via HDMI it doesn’t matter what settings you turn off, game mode on dynamic contrast off (seems to be the biggest offender) still has lag. VGA no lag. VGA also has a cleaner image on 360, HDMI harsh color and Jaggies.
Can you hook a PC with say, GTX whatever graphics card to a TV with VGA? Also what’s the difference between VGA, SVGA, and DVI?
I said what DAC is in a earlier post. Yes Digital to Analog Converter.
If the TV supports VGA input, yes.
VGA - Video graphics Array
Video Graphics Array (VGA) refers specifically to the display hardware first introduced with the IBM PS/2 line of computers in 1987, the term used for the 15-pin D-subminiature VGA connector or the 640x480 resolution itself. Most people now use the term VGA as a blanket term for the connector, a three-row 15-pin DE-15 connector.
SVGA - Super video graphics array. The term SVGA normally refers to a resolution of 800x600 pixels. Uses the same DE-15 connector.
There is a long list of Super/Extended/Ultra ect VGA abbreviations, associated video formats and their associated resolutions.
FYI, VGA matches the resolution of NTSC standard 480i/480p resolutions.
VGA connectors and cables carry analog component RGBHV (red, green, blue, horizontal sync, vertical sync) video signals, and VESA Display Data (data for the monitor and the PC to talk to each other).
The only thing about that chart that doesn’t make sense is 1920x1080, err well anything above 480P not being VGA.
I mean I get it, kinda silly, just call the resolution what it is. Bottom line is VGA seems to be fine at least up till 1080p. I have no idea beyond that, I guess beyond it say 1440P or higher introduces “imagine degradation” that I’ve heard about. Why is that?
Im just talking about cables. I mean sheesh my 486 went above 480P resolution lol, and my current PC, which is shit, uses VGA for a 1080P signal and looks perfect.
Anyways though, good news:
From my research HDMI to DVI has zero processing or conversion, and according to what I’ve read DVI has no lag like HDMI, so a simple 5$ HDMI to DVI cord may be the PS4 solution I’ve been looking for. Yippee!
the DE-15 connector used for RGBHV video signals ranging from 640 x 480 all the way over to 3840 x 2400
They are the same thing, HDMI is based on DVI plus Digital Audio and some additional data. a DVI to HDMI cable is just straight wires. I answered this in the other thread.
HDMI does not lag, its the display that lags and the associated image post processing of that display.
No not exactly. DVI has no sound and does not carry HDCP. HDCP is pretty much anti-piracy encryption.
The PS4 outputs HDMI with HDCP encoding. There a big chance your HDMI to DVI cable will not work.
Hmm that would suck. It’s worth a 5$ gamble though. I’ve already wasted 7$ on a HMDI to VGA cable which I’m pretty certain will not work.
However if it does work then it could be the solution I need. According to you the reason VGA doesn’t lag for 360 is because it puts my tv into “PC Mode”, and since DVI does the same thing, then assuming it works I should be set.
If not then fuck PS4. I’ll build a gaming PC and run that into my 55", no way I’m spending 200$ and downgrading to a damned 24" display. That’s fine for tournaments but not my home.
Forgive me if you’ve done this already but, have you physically changed your tv to “Game Mode”?
Also, don’t get your hopes up thinking that your $5-$7 hdmi to vga cable is going to work. It only works on certain video cards and raspberry pi devices that carry an analog signal on the hdmi port.
Also, checkout the HD Fury 2 VGA to HDMI adapter. I have one from back in the day, when my beloved GDM‑FW900 worked. I noticed no discernable lag at all. There are a few cheap ones on eBay right now.
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