what also should not be undererstimated is that most of the review sources use measuring methods that give you wrong results. only an oscilliscope (e.g. prad.de!) and the combination of a crt and smtt 2.0. (e.g. tftcentral, but ONLY since DEC 2011) will show you adequate results. so most of the results that you see on the web should be ignored because of the test methods.
I’ve sent an e-mail to tftcentral and asked them about how much scaling is involved when they do their input lag tests, will post their response if I got an answer back.
I don’t think the Xbox 360 will have much issues with this because AFAIK the console always upscales the signal to 1080p, so 1080p monitors don’t have to do any scaling job. That’s not the case with the PS3 though, some games are upscaled to 1080p, some you can force to output in 1080p while others just must be viewed in 720p (SSFIV:AE is one of those).
I’m going to buy a monitor soon mainly for SSFIV and I have to know which would be the right one for me, don’t want to get a display that does an awesome job with input lag using the native resolution but sucks when scaling is involved.
so why isn’t the asus ve228h the evo monitor?
it’s faster, cheaper, and is a LED monitor
it is better in performance right? i was looking into buying one of those.
Has it been tested? Keep in mind response time is not the same as input lag, and just because it’s made by ASUS doesn’t mean it’s lagless. 99% of monitors have lag of some sort, even if only a couple frames, regardless of who made it.
It’s on the first page of the thread. There’s so few people testing these monitors I’m sure there’s several viable options out there that we don’t even know about.
The Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H is suppose to be a “lagfree” monitor. It was used inWCG for Tekken6, and nobody really complained about input lag. Here is a review of it. *“Input lag is non existent at <5ms vs a CRT, resulting in a very smooth and delay free gaming experience.” *
LG W2442PA is also said to be very good. Here is the review.
"The LG W2442PA performs very well in a stopwatch test against a CRT model. On average, we measured a value of 3,2 ms. In 20 percent of all cases, the deviation was a maximum of 16 ms (1 Frame per second). In 80 percent of cases, there was no lag at all. Accordingly, the aforementioned value emerged as the average value"
Source:Prad
Response time (ms) has nothing to do with input lag. (This is so ingrained in my head now…)
Isn’t the 5.6ms input lag for the XL2410T for 120hz? And possibly other 120hz monitors that are being listed in the op. Can the PS3 even do 120hz? If I recall 60hz and 120hz results can look drastically different.
Also an interesting point I’d like to know more about.
Yes, I agree, but that does not mean that ms is not important.
*“LCD screens with a high response time value often do not give satisfactory experience when viewing fast moving images (They often leave streaks or blur; called ghosting). But an LCD screen with both high response time and significant display lag is unsuitable for playing fast paced computer games or performing fast high accuracy operations on the screen due to the mouse cursor lagging behind. Manufacturers only state the response time of their displays and do not inform customers of the display lag value.” *
Edit: @IceBergSlim
As far as I know, the Evo monitor was indeed tested with PS3 outputting 720p getting a sub one frame lag result. Try searching the forums; the tests were all done before Evo in '09.
They were kind enough to reply quickly with a pretty detailed answer, I asked them if they just use one source (native resolution) or multiple sources for their input lag tests, here’s their response:
So I guess they Do focus mostly on the native resolution when doing their input lag tests, he did mention that he tried out using multiple sources as further tests, but don’t think those were implemented with every screen they’ve tested in their reviews, maybe the BenQ XL2420T example does an amazing scaling job with minimal input lag while that might not be the case with other monitors.
He’s the professional though and did mention that he doesn’t think there will be much input lag added when scaling is involved if the aspect ratio was maintained, which won’t be difficult for console gamers to do since console games video output is either upscaled to 720p or 1080p, both being 16:9 aspect ratios.
this is turning into the old monitor thread
Is there any tv that is over 55 inches that has 8ms or less of lag
Added the BenQ XL2420T - 13ms input lag TN Film 24" 1920x1080 via new TFTCentral review. Pretty shocked that the previous model had much lower input lag.
Gonna be really hard / next to impossible to track down such a TV. Reading all recent TV reviews they still contiune to have too much input lag. I really wish they would implement true instant mode where it by-passes all internal processing. Your best bet is going to have to be the Samsung PS51D550 or PS51D690 even though they are under 55 inches.
Hm, this can’t be right, did they have “Instant Mode” on?
http://www.pcmonitors.org/monitor-reviews/benq-xl2420t Here is shows input lag of 2.5ms
PRAD.de has this monitor at:
60hz input lag 7.9ms
120hz input lag 4.9ms
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-benq-xl2420t-teil7.html#Reaktionsverhalten
Yes I am very interested in this also as I have the XL2410T and use for both pc games @120hz as well as 60hz console games and would like to know whether the monitor should perform better, worse or the same @ 60hz with regards to input lag?..I’m hoping better, maybe I can test it against my viewsonic VX2260WM for reference (I don’t have a crt anymore) and see if I can measure a difference I just don’t have a very good camera.
I wish Prad.de would keep the English portion of their site synced up with the German portion. It looks like they haven’t done a review in years if you view the English version.
the LGw2753vc was used in the very first godsgarden sf4 tournament. i own this monitor my self but i do not have the equipment to test it. i believe that the players from the tournament didnt have any input lag issues with the monitor. http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/225436/LG-W2753VC-PF-27-LCD-Monitor/?cm_mmc=Mercent--Google--Monitors_and_Projectors-_-225436-{copy:IQ_PE}&mr:trackingCode=A44D2E0B-A758-E111-870B-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA
Has anyone tried Vizio T.V.s for input lag? I own a V0320e which I THINK has input lag, but I can’t tell since it’s all I play on.
EDIT: Nevermind, found it in the old thread. http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/the-new-definitive-hdtv-lag-faq/54637page-77
20-40 ms, around 2 frames, which sounds about right.
Because the Evo team bought their monitors in 2009.