Street Fighter x Tekken v2013 FRAMEDATA (incl. DLC Chars)

street11 · November 14, 2014, 12:36am

You mean you want a st.MP xx LK Senpusha infinite

I added it. TY for the info.

FengShuiEnergy · November 14, 2014, 12:46am

Wouldn’t be an infinite. You can easily correct that. Just make it so that after the first L senpusha, if another L senpusha is done after st.mp then just have it do more pushback on hit then, she would still be +6 on hit but unable to combo since they would be pushed to far back. I know that’s easily possible, and then you wouldn’t have an infinite. I’m sure the game can register that quite easily.

street11 · November 14, 2014, 2:14am

Actually it wouldn’t be possible, unless you add another version of LK Senpusha with enough pushback that unless LK Senpusha was done raw you cannot link with any normal at all. The situation of “+6 but cannot link on hit” itself is easy, but if you add the condition “after the first LK Senpusha” it suddenly becomes such a hassle.

FengShuiEnergy · November 14, 2014, 3:38am

What? Ridiculous. I don’t believe that. that sounds like it would be an easy thing to do. If chun can’t do an infinite with her LL in SF4 I can’t it being a problem here. There would just be no looping. It can’t be that hard to code in.

street11 · November 14, 2014, 6:50pm

If you try to prevent the loop with st.MP, it’s either she gets no loop at all or she gets around 3-4 or more loops with a normal that’s not st.MP and has a small pushback, such as st.LK.

FengShuiEnergy · November 15, 2014, 3:49am

Then 3-4 loops it is then.

slavesofblastard · February 19, 2015, 5:51am

ok now detail the hitboxes.

Intuitive2011 · March 12, 2015, 6:33pm

@FengShuiEnergy what makes a block string true in terms of frame data? Is it the start up of the special move which indicates whether it will be a true block string of not?

Akhos · March 12, 2015, 7:56pm

For cancels, it’s dependent on how much blockstun the move before has alongside the start-up of the move you’re cancelling into. For “links,” it’s similar to how you see if a link will combo.

Ryu’s cr.mp, for example. It has 16 frames of blockstun. If you cancel it into Hadoken, it will be a true blockstring, as the hadoken will connect before the opponent’s blockstun ends (16 frames of blockstun vs 13 frames of start-up).

Ryu’s cr.mp, cr.lp would also be a true blockstring, though the timing would be that of a one frame link. Cr.mp is +3 on block, cr.lp has 3 frame start-up.

FengShuiEnergy · March 13, 2015, 8:23pm

Basically what Lwdubya said. Also note that true auto guard (aka leaving the stick in neutral) won’t give TBS (true block strings) to low attacks since you have to manually block them I believe.

Intuitive2011 · March 23, 2015, 2:26am

LordWilliam1234:

Intuitive2011:

@FengShuiEnergy what makes a block string true in terms of frame data? Is it the start up of the special move which indicates whether it will be a true block string of not?

For cancels, it’s dependent on how much blockstun the move before has alongside the start-up of the move you’re cancelling into. For “links,” it’s similar to how you see if a link will combo.

Ryu’s cr.mp, for example. It has 16 frames of blockstun. If you cancel it into Hadoken, it will be a true blockstring, as the hadoken will connect before the opponent’s blockstun ends (16 frames of blockstun vs 13 frames of start-up).

Ryu’s cr.mp, cr.lp would also be a true blockstring, though the timing would be that of a one frame link. Cr.mp is +3 on block, cr.lp has 3 frame start-up.

Maybe I’m being dumb, but how do you calculate blockstun?

Akhos · March 23, 2015, 6:49am

Short version:

(Active Frames - 1) + Recovery Frames + Frame Advantage = Hitstun or Blockstun

One of my posts in the thread goes into more detail.

SFxT General Discussion #4 - Witty title

Your math is off. When calculating the hitstun/blockstun, it’s as follows:

(Active Frames - 1) + Recovery Frames + Frame Advantage = Hitstun or Blockstun

So, for G-Clef Cannon 3rd Hit, it’d be (2 - 1) + 30 + 2, which is 33 frames of hitstun. Then you subtract 16 frames for a cancelled Hunting Stance to get the total + frames, which would be +17. Likewise, for the blockstun:

(2 - 1) + 30 - 15 - 16, which is 0. So it’s +17/0, not +23/+6.

As for B + HP, I mentioned it in the Frame Data thread, and street11 figured out that Kuma cancels into Hunting Stance 8 frames late from the overhead, it’s not exactly a unique cancel. So it’d be calculated as if it were 24 frames for the hunting stance cancel. So, for that one:

Hitstun: (3-1) + 21 + 2 = 25 frames of hitstun. 25 - 24 = +1 for a Hunting Stance Cancel.

Blockstun: (3-1) + 21 - 2 = 21 frames of blockstun. 21 - 24 = -3 for a Hunting Stance Cancel.

Preppy · May 10, 2016, 3:45am

Unstickying this from the site-wide stickies for now. :tup:

Alegretto · May 20, 2016, 2:27am

Errr… I know I’m super late to the party but, what’s the minimum height for air normals in this game? On what frame of the jump is the earliest you can start an attack?