i was scared for both players the entire time. justin almost had daigo. i honestly didn’t know who was gonna win. i was cheerin for daigo in my head though. but i like justin a lot too.
justin did real well against daigo, i knew he would. but i don’t think justin will be ready at sbo for top level sagat’s. there’s like a million of them at sbo.
justin’s boxer was a BEAST though. i didn’t know his boxer was that good. such good footsies. but for people saying justin has better footsies than daigo, yeah, i think it’s true…but only because it’s boxer. boxer has better normals so he has better footsie game to work with. the reason daigo kept jumpin in like a tard was cause he was getting frustrated. he was losing on the ground so he tried the air, but justin had an answer 90% of the time. too bad boxer can’t combo ultra from c.fp, lol. but from jumpin, ryu gets hella good damage, while boxer only gets c.fp.
i really liked how justin BARELY used ex dashes and stuck strictly to what’s safe. and THEN he busts out some trickery overhead when you least expect it. very safe player, tried not to give daigo ANYTHING.
i think ed ma shoulda used more trickery against daigo. i think edma gave daigo too much credit when he shouldn’t have. i think it’s because justin knows how to stop akuma tricks…but daigo didn’t really have a great answer or an answer at all for akuma’s demonflip/hurricane kick mixups. daigo beat edma because edma was too scared/nervous. i understand, it’s daigo. daigo took advantage, played his game and won.
trickery doesn’t work against justin for some reason though. i think justin is better than the japanese in the aspect that justin doesn’t have to play you to know how to stop your shit. when justin played iyo at the japanese nationals, iyo had his bag of tricks but none of it really worked against justin. i REALLY think that the reason justin doesn’t fall for trickery is because he plays marvel. so he’s VERY good at watching out for shit.
I don’t think it’s just boxer. You’ve watched A3 finals right, Valle vs Daigo? Valle specifically said at that time that he was scared at first because he had heard that there were 10,000 people in their a3 nationals, but when he came down and Valle closed the first round, that he realized his footsies were better, and that was his key to victory. That’s the same vibe I got from this Justin vs Daigo match, and the level of play was astounding.
There weren’t many beef combos or game changing things like that, it was all incredibly solid gameplay, I think that match is going to be how new people should learn how to play SF, because the core gameplay of the two players was so, so solid.
As for Sagats, you might be right, since American Sagat vs Japanese style is two different extremes, at least from what I’ve seen, but you have to admit, this is the best chance we’ve got yet of taking the SBO title.
Edit; Also, the fact that Daigo got hit by that cr.jx2, back up, cr.strong, Rush like 10 times was extremely amusing to me. Amazing mixups, that was my favorite part of that. You wouldn’t think he would have much off of that situation, but that fifty fifty is amazing.
well, first off, that’s valle’s opinion. and valle may have had better footsies than daigo at that time, valle’s footsie game is REALLY good.
but i’m talkin about sf4. ok, lemme put it this way. did you think justin’s abel outfootsied daigo’s ryu? or how bout justin’s rufus vs daigo’s ryu? all i’m saying is boxer has a greater set of normals for footsie work than ryu does. that’s why justin picked boxer. because boxer has great normals to footsie with. even said so in his postgame interview :).
I think Abel’s normals are ass, and with that I think Justin still outpoked him as much as was possible in that matchup. But yeah, to be honest, I do think Justin has a better footsie game than Daigo. I don’t think it was just opinion with Valle v. Daigo either, if you watch the game, that’s Valle’s only way of getting around the V-ism bullcrap, and he does it very well. I think it’s the same way with Justin, where he was putting himself at a situational advantage most of the match with his footsies. Ryu has pretty good normal’s too, not as good as balrog’s, but he still has counters to each one, I mean Daigo kept getting nailed with that cr.RH, and the st.fr? or st.st one of the two, almost every time justin threw them out, I dunno if that was reaction, or yomi, or what, but either way, I still think in a way it proves that justin has the better footsie game. I think if Justin had played Boxer the whole time, instead of using Abel, that he would have beaten Daigo. ESPECIALLY in Winner’s Finals, because after the switch to Boxer, Justin took him two straight games, four straight rounds.
i don’t wanna take anything away from justin. my main argument is that by playing boxer, your footsie game automatically levels up because his normals are so good. for example, since i play ryu, you can pick ANY character you want and try to outfootsie me, but i don’t think you’ll have much luck, but if you pick boxer, you’ll have a lot better chance at outfootsie’ing me because boxer’s normals are just good.
You have a good point, but I’m saying, even when he picked Abel, his footsies were better, but Abel’s footsie game sucks, just plain sucks, because if you look, he counterpokes almost every normal Daigo throws out. That’s, really what I was getting at but I suppose I got off on a tangent.
well, yeah, abel’s normals suck. but as far as having better footsies is concerned, i think it’s questionable. i think they both have great footsie work. but i just think it was more apparent that justin had a better ground game because it WAS boxer vs. ryu. like that abel vs ryu match, i’m not even gonna count that. daigo won that convincingly. and he won ON the ground too. when justin had ultra, daigo barely threw any fireballs if at all so it was all zoning and poking.
the reason it’s questionable as to who has better footsies is because the game isn’t balanced in terms of normal moves. some characters have better normals than others. try to outfootsie a ryu using el fuerte or dan. no specials, just use normals. LOL. and my main point is to say as far as normals are concerned, to say justin’s footsie game is better than daigo’s based on a boxer vs ryu matchup is not accurate.
there was a time when i felt boxer had advantage over ryu because i felt that boxer’s normals/footsies were better than ryu’s thus giving boxer the advantage.
It probably is pretty questionable, and really, it’s just my opinion. I’ll leave it at that.
He really didn’t throw many fireballs at all that match, which was pretty surprising. Eh, I dunno, when they fight again, I will put money on Justin.
In the end, I honestly think Justin, even if just by a hair, is better, even though Daigo won. For everyone saying it was just a counter pick kind of thing, in a 5-5 match like that, Justin played to his strengths, and played an incredible game. I’ve never, ever seen as good a match as that, not even Daigo vs Mago is as incredible, definately the two best players. I still think he would have won if he’d played Boxer from the beginning.
Edit; I think the match is pretty strongly five-five, but I think that Boxer has strengths over other characters more than Ryu does, and I think his weakness to Sagat is worse. It’s probably my favorite match in this game to be honest.
Why didn’t Wong use more level 1 TAPs? I know that as Seth, level 1 TAP owns my focusing/fireballing ass.
Also, Daigo missing combos? What madness was that?
Abel’s normals aren’t really that bad overall, he just sucks at footsies. Which is what Wong is strongest at, so I don’t really understand why he tried Abel. I think he respected Daigo a bit too much by not going for any tick TTs, though. Also, lol at Wong going 0-2 on comboing into Abel’s ultra.
Good shit at that Akuma/Cammy player (fuck, I forgot his name) ultraing between Rufus’s s.hp xx Galactic Tornado blockstring. I’m gonna steal that so hard.
I am baaack, my dudes! evo was hella fun and HYPE…lol good to see the dudes from joplin, kc, and springfield (weeks, benra, lyquid, chachi, etc) there repping and of course the nyakkas from stl (nki, rex, aka, jeff).
I had 40 ppl in sf4 and 30 ppl in hdr pools. didn’t do so well in sf4…lol got peaced out in the loser’s semi… went 6-2…:bluu: qualified for hdr. lost to valle and sweet johhny v. I got to play on the stage with the big screen and all, but… FUCK THE LAG when playing on the stage…LOL last minute sonic boom = burn in my face… and I couldn’t tech-throw to save my ass…
if you search “JJJ” in this: http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/jul/17/early-street-fighter-4-results-evo-2009/
you will see a line saying I lost to sweet johhny in the semi-finals, and few lines above that is daigo took out nki.
oh yeah, and fuck guile vs dic in hdr…lol guile needs so much garbage to win… on the other hand, dic vs dic is much more managable. I almost beat valle with my dic…
oh, and gs to aka beating laugh in his pool.
Can’t you punish hadoukens with it on reaction though? And can’t you combo from it if it hits meaty? (I don’t play Boxer, so these are actual questions.)
i disagree. if justin was better, he would have stuck with rufus and try and beat daigo that way. during evo, all jwong did was try and counterpick. then again, i am assuming rufus is his main since he played rufus till reaching daigo. the match up is 5-5? if so, it must be rounded off cuz i think its in boxers favor 5.4-4.6 rounded to the nearest whole number.
so kaal, how is tying to decide which character can beat everything ryu has make them a better player (even by a hair)? the scenerio is like saying, allen beat me only cuz i think it was a counter pick, so next time, im not gonna try and get better with my main… im gonna counterpick the ENTIRE time so i can win “easier”.
so easier = better player? kaal, i dont agree with anything you say. it is your opinion so its all good, but i disagree with your opinion 100%. jwong could have done equally well with his rufus. i could play your “if” game also. “justin didnt even play with his main. IF he did, he could have won.”
anyway, i probably shouldnt have post this cuz everyone has a right to an opinion. all im saying is, anyone can play the “if” game. YJDK
you can go through fireballs but the fireball has to be near you when you let go of the kick’s. and by that time, you can recover from the fireball in time to DP. the only way you can tap through it and hit successfully is if you are roughly close to ryu when he throws the fireball. but tapping in general is just slow cause you can see it coming. if you are fast enough with ryu, you can just dp everytime. and i feel like that’s maybe what justin was thinking. he didn’t wanna give away free damage.
and as far as hitting meaty. the only way you can hit it meaty is on wakeup. but i think you CAN combo after TAP on counterhit. not 100% sure but i think so.
the commentators brought this up that justin isn’t afraid to play rufus against any american ryu such as choi, etc but he’s afraid to play rufus against daigo.
but as far as who the “better” player is between daigo and justin. i think daigo is the better player as a whole because i think daigo does well against ANYONE he faces. while i think justin would have big problems against a top japanese sagats such as mago, ojisan, or RF. we’ll see come SBO time. i really wanna see how justin would fair against one of the top sagats in japan.
i did think his abel outfootsied diago actauly, that was the main reason i told yah i think he was outmatched on the ground. daigo pulled “psychic” dps and even mash dp out of his ass vs his abel. But the matches were still close and all justin realy landed was like footsie into counter poke. If valle realy said that about daigo back then id believe it, strong footsies seemed to be his only “weakness”.
Evo was awsome btw, you guys should start saving up for next year now, oh and sb4. Realy wish some of you would travel, we would all be much better. Aaron beat the shit out of laugh, i think if we all played more(and went to tournys for more level up experience) any of us could have a shot at qualifiying.
I did bet on justin. And i would do it again. I just root for america baby, why wouldnt you? But i was doing underdog bets all night, way too hype to root for a good player who is not the favorite when there is money on the line. Man i wanna watch the top 8 again, so much good shit. Yeah sanford was mad impressive IMO, demon threw an EXtornado was sick, we were all just screaming whaaat? Not even so much that he could do it, just that he would do it in a tourny situation like that. He beat the shit outta dan too, lol he shoulda played console before he came :P. All in all i gotta say arturo aint lying when he say everybody hungry in this shit, i got my appetite back now too. Kai beat me pretty soundly, only won a couple rounds. Also lost to eric kim’s sagat but made it pretty close and had him yell fuck after i caught his focus(they were owning me first round) into a armor break into combo into ultra ftw :D. Came down to last round every game, the two he won he got me with a knockdown and i tried to do a ex dash to get out of the corner and maybe hit him, but he did a tiger knee behind me for a reset combo to ultra and got me. The other round i had, until i got hit with a half screen kara tiger uppercut to beat a poke and then ate the ultra combo. Gave him way too much respect on not throwing wakeup dp’s out without two bars.
i’ve been having a bit of an identity crisis the last couple of weeks on who i want to play exactly.
i was set on ken for so long, then i tried out blanka, boxer, gief, abel, chun, dic and rufus… I think I’m sticking with Ken, but working on getting my Rufus up there. Still having some problems with some of his stuff, and playing with him is kind of sad (like no matchup knowledge at all) but it’s fun. i like being able to dial-a-combo into ultra anywhere on the screen.
without two bars.