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Wow I just came in to post ggs to everyone and walked into a storm. Damn son if you guys were watching Kurasa he was getting wins off my 13. She is a good character and if you can’t beat har the first time you see her I certainly think that’s a legit event. How many times can someone who has played a game for maybe a week go into a match for the first time against a top tier in a game engine they don’t have the hang of and win or even figure out the whole match up right there? I agree that she is a little too good right now but she not even the best. Arakune and Rachel are both considered better right now. Plus damn ramennoodle it’s hard to believe you would dismiss an entire game because you don’t like the character design/play style/matchup of a character you don’t even play while you yourself play a stronger character. That’s like someone quitting SF4 because they don’t like Akuma and they play Sagat.

Trust me I’m not saying 13 isn’t ridiculous or that she’s hard to play, but this game has really low difficulty on learning a character anyway. But maybe it just seems that way to GG players, I certainly can’t play even the easiest characters in ST or 4 so maybe it’s all in your origins. I like 13 and will continue to play and I hope that StL sticks with it because if we could keep up our player base with as varied characterwise as it is we would be really strong in this game.

Oh yeah, GGs to everyone who was at Rex’s! (I mean it)

Makes me wish I lived < 1 hour away from all yall, so I could get into some of these meetups.

Okay, first of all, airdashing at v-13 is a gamble and it’s never in your favor. Just don’t do it.

I play Ragna, and I can tell you that Ragna has the least amount of ways around v-13’s garbage. Any strat to get in that I can apply with Ragna, I can apply with other characters to (mostly) greater effects.

When you IAD in, you can’t block, so don’t do it unless you KNOW. And if you KNOW, the v-13 player is doing it wrong, as she’s not playing as safely as she could be. Her 2C puts her in low profile (evasive), has a great hitbox above her, and has excellent damage scaling. It also forces you to barrier if you plan on empty jumping at her in that area (bad). So, you try to double-jump at the last second and bait the 2C and you eat…her 2D instead, which hits you where you plan on double jumping. That’s fine actually, because you can block that attack and not worry about using barrier. This lets you IB attacks and gain meter (3 clicks for every IB) faster than she is for poking you (1 click for every 2 swords). Obviously some characters (like Ragna) have uses for having meter in this matchup, but others (like Tager) do not.

Next is her 5D. You can’t block this shit on reaction if you’re standing in the spot you need to be in order to play jump guessing games with her. By conceding your position to one where you can more easily block this move on reaction (which is further away), you put yourself into a mini-game where you get to practice IB (which is important, I’ll explain). In the mini-game, v-13 players like to put you into her “mixups”. Her 4D hits as an overhead, and her back pinwheel hits low. If you IB 5D and then jump block, you avoid standing there and taking this guessing game while you continue to build meter. If you want to advance at her within her 5D range, you either normal jump over where the 5D will appear and barrier/IB on the way down, or you do a dashing barrier (dash brake) while on the ground. By dash braking, the risk of you running into a random 5D goes down, but not completely away.

5DD into 4D is interruptable if you IB the second hit of 5DD. Ragna gets a free super for doing this, but I’m not sure what other characters get. Tager gets Sledge I believe, or maybe his fireball (which nullifies projectiles anyway). It’s an important string to learn how to IB and find a way through, otherwise v-13 can just keep abusing this while you get pounded.

She can dash cancel her 6C on block and actually be up frames. However, the frame advantage is based on the distance from the opponent she performed the dash cancel. Since she can poke with it at max distance and immediately DC and go into a throw (with a normal break window, meaning you were not in blockstun), her frame advantage is minimal. If you predict a DC forward, be ready to recognize the distance she performed it at and be ready to break a throw or interrupt her with your best poke if she tries to attack out of the dash. Frames are extremely important in this game (more than SF4), so do your research.

Allen - I challenge you to beat my Ragna. I’m all over this game, I’m down to play whenever you are, just don’t quit if you get beaten too badly =). What are you using as your base for interpreting your skill level anyway? What makes you say you’re so sick?

Ramen - Actually she has a lot of interesting design concepts as a character. Sadly, her strategy isn’t very interesting and is overly brain-dead and scrub friendly to perform. There are counters to the scrubby strategies, but they take more effect than they should to get around, which is why people complain. As far as going to dustloop is concerned, well, remind me to never give you any strats or help since you should be good to go on your own! To answer your question; no, there isn’t a lot there if you don’t like pressing D. Maybe you’d feel better if different swords were assigned to different buttons? You play the Snot Monster though, so I could see how v-13 is the aesthetic opposite to something like that.

what makes me say i’m so sick? random fierce punch shoryuken CONFIDENCE!

what am i using my base for interpreting my skill level? i’ve been watching top match videos and i “imagine” myself playing those top players and i usually always end up winning in my head. i lost once, but that’s because my execution isn’t 100% in my imagination land.

quit if you beat me down? i have no reason to quit, if i lose to ragna while i’m playing v-13, that’ll only make me wanna get better.

i still have a LOT of room to get better. like ok, you might be thinkin…“how can he get any better, he’s already so good”. it’s like trying to imagine a better GOD. you know? but even though you can’t picture it, you’ll see it when the time comes.

Aaron, we’re just going to have agree to disagree. this is a completely subjective thing. I don’t think she’s a good character design. my point is if most my game is going to amount to D, then i’d rather her do something more interesting than holding out her hand and then swordswordswordswordswordsword.

That shit just screams to me: “Alright we need to make a new character, fuck it let’s just take that boss character from castlevania:lament of the innocence and turn him into a loli-robot.” that’s literally what I was thinking when i first saw her first debut in the japanese arcades.

Like i said i may as well play a shmup like battle garrega, dondonpachi, or something, cause when I press one button in those games, more interesting shit get thrown out onto the screen.

I don’t know what would make me like that character more. Maybe a whole new different character, because i think she has such a botched character design, but whatever, I don’t know why people who play v-13 in here are getting all pissy about me not liking her (how about actually reading my post, Andy, how good she is isn’t my problem). If i don’t like her, that’s my problem, not yours. If you find her interesting, more power to you, I gave her a chance, thought she’s boring to look at but maybe fun to play, then found her not fun to play at all, and moved on. Oh and then agreed with Rex that she makes the game kinda silly, because she stands out like a sore thumb next to the other characters, and that alot of people are going to pick her simply because “she’s so good in the game”, and that im going to see alot of boring ass matches come tournament time. Oh well, I don’t like one character. C’est la vie.

And one more thing Aaron, I didn’t mean to disrespect/undermine you/cause you to tear when I said I’ll go to dustloop, I SHOULD have said “If my problem with her was beating her, I would have just posted, ‘Aaron, I can’t beat V-13, are there any tips to beating her?’” I’m sorry if it came out like i was somehow preferring dustloop’s advice to your own or something, but that’s not how I meant it to come out at all, so sorry, my bad. Not that you need it or anything, but you definitely have my respect as a top player. What I was trying to say is that beating v-13 is not anymore frustrating to me than beating alot of other characters in this game, simply because I just don’t know the match-ups yet.

Didn’t you say that you haven’t learned her good combos yet? what I want to see this match between aka and aks since aks claims his nu is so sick (Not doubting, but I haven’t seen it for myself yet). I can make better judgment from their fight. But I can honestly see a lot people new players poppin up at the next AR using Nu and making people drop the game. That won’t surprise me at all. I’m still going play but I don’t like the bitch either but taht won’t keep me from the game. I SPENT $60 ON IT FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

Yeah, that’s valid, I’m TOTALLY quitting blazblue, ONLY cause I can’t beat Robo-girl, O WAIT:

I can’t believe I had to quote my own god damn posts for you to get it. Next time, actually read it yourself before you decide to post ignorant ass shit like that.

and on another note, what should it matter what character I play in deciding whether i have any validity in disliking another character? Are you saying I would have a right to hate v-13 if i was playing tager or something? what the fuck does that have anything to do with it? I can definitely hate Akuma as much as I want if I play sagat, if I think he’s a dumb, unoriginal shoto clone(I don’t actually think that btw). Of course im not quitting a whole game over something like that, which I pointed out in the post you didn’t read.

But shit, Oh no god FORBID I like Arakune and hate v-13, It’s not like I think that Arkune is cool cause he looks like he came out of a miyazaki film, while v-13 is dumb because she looks like she came out of a mecha musume hentai dating simulator, No THATS not it at all!!

damn man i smoked last night and forgot why i hate nu, so i geuss its not that big a deal. just took my hype level down some is all. i realy didnt think people where gonna be talkin bout it for days. tho its the same thing in most of the other Missouri threads lol.

Andy- i almost won our two out of three, but if air dashing in means your doing it wrong then u might be. i was air dashing in for free ;). i was just picturing what nu could be and im sure she could become pretty silly, sorry to offend the blazblue fans. i just took the bb dick outta my mouth and put it in my hand instead :).

Aaron- dont forget about sf4 tho my dude at least until evo. we need to hit that time chamber, 5 on 5 is gonna be seriously tough as well as the tourny.

That shit won’t surprise me at all either, considering GG had its own scene because almost all of the Capcom players couldn’t/didn’t want to try to hang. And I see almost all the same people who played GG playing BB, so it looks like history is going to repeat itself here, with maybe one or two additions to the playerbase. I hear a lot of “I can’t win so this game isn’t good” tears, and that tells me a lot of y’all are a little too spoiled. GG players have experience with the system (even if it’s modded a bit) and largely we already understand how this shit works. Get down in it, learn your combos, and play the game a ton and if you still don’t win quit if that’s what you want.

I’ll honestly be surprised if half these people are playing BB two months from now:lol: Don’t let Aaron and Andy beat y’all down too bad now. :bgrin:

And is Jeff repping Taokaka? That’s what I like to see:tup:

i dunno the reason i never played GG is because I simply had no one to play it against and thats it. At the time I was in Columbia, I had severe school/other problems i’d rather not mention that was preventing me from hitting up the slash machine at gunther’s. and by the time Accent Core came out, I was in St. louis, and I was too self-concious getting into the the STL scene plus i didn’t have a car or any means to travel consistently to hook-ups. And neither Rex or I have been saying “I can’t win, so this game isn’t good,” at all, maybe you’re hearing that shit from the other guys in columbia??

Now that BB has really good netcode, and i have an easier way to get to hookups, I’m probably not gonna quit the game unless king of fighters 12, by some miracle gets a really big following, is a good game, doesn’t have shitty netcode (Which I’m sure it will, fucking SNK), and if I can’t find a way to play SF4, BB, AND KOF12, without burning myself out on all 3. but yeah, most other people, who don’t come to hook-ups and what-not, coming to aerial rave, getting the shit kicked out them by a good thirteen, and going on an axiom-like rant about how BB blows and actually quitting the game, is just going to be a disheartening thing to watch. :frowning:

allen- you in town today? gaaaaaaames!
same goes for glen

aaron- thx for the write up, should come in handy if andy starts leveling up(and breaking throws :P)
let me know when u guys are playing

all this tearing reminds me of toki’s frame trap in hnk…lol allen should learn raoh, toki, or rei in a week and challenge my thouther…:rofl: I mean… how can thouther win in this game?.. well, yjdk…lol

here is my offer (some of you might already know): I will give you $20 if you can beat my thouther ONE game best of 5 rounds, and you don’t lose anything if you lose, but you can only challenge me once per day…lol and I don’t even have a ps2 with me, so I have no way to play the game. don’t you guys like INFINITE odds?..lol I expect to see some ppl playing this… maybe I will lose in the first day, so let me know if you need free lunch money…LOL

edit: I can do this for cvs2 too if you want.

AKA (aaron): I assume your room at evo is already packed since I haven’t heard from you. plz let me know since evo is in less than two weeks…lol thanks my dude~

i just want to have sex with Nu, yes pedo. something about girls with screws in their eyes gets me going

JJJ - Damn dude I’m sorry I just keep forgetting to reply to your PM. I got it and then checked in with my friend to see if he’s got enough room for you, but this was back when you first sent me the PM. Really sorry for the delay, I seriously just kept forgetting. As far as the room goes, I’m gonna see what I can do, but I THINK we’re full up. Since you’re hard up for a spot I think we might be able to cram you in there. The more the cheaper!

Ramen - I can understand and respect why you don’t like her. She’s sort of neutral for me taste-wise, but I don’t find her totally uninteresting. I have really low standards for “fun” when it comes to doing combos, so I’ll end up learning all of her shit just like the rest of this game eventually. You don’t have to give me a BJ for all of this “top player” nonsense, I was just jacking you about the dustloop garbage. Anyway you chose a strong character and I hope to keep learning. He’s kind of broke!

Rex - I won’t forget about SF4, but it’s not very hard to remember how to play that game. We’ll get a good set in before Evo, don’t worry.

That goes for you other fuckers too.

i’m coming for you allen
fuck your execution, it’s mash time baby

THANK GAWD I’M NOT ALONE IN THIS!!!..although for me it has nothing to do with screws. I’d take Noel too. Yum! Yum! Eat em up!!!

Most annoying shit of the day:

I’m playing online on SFIV on my PS3 and I’m trying to focus…and mom keeps calling me throughout the house…instead of coming to my room until I tell her, just come here cuz my door isn’t locked (I lock it a lot). She comes in and just stairs and says to pause and I tell her I can’t. She gets a fuckin attitude when all she needed was for her shirt to get tied up. This is why I hate playing online when she’s around because she calls me all the time. It really pisses me off when its something she can do herself…like go grab a soda from the fridge. At least I still won my match.

Anyone want to buy my 360 LE copy of Blazblue? I like the game, but not enough to where I’d play it all the time… Will still play at hookups and maybe at Aerial Rave… but I dunno. Just a little too hard to take seriously.

plus i need the cash, i’m fucking broke.

like, nu broke.

$50, anyone?

i wouldn’t give you fifty bucks, i don’t care about the LE version, but if i lived in stl i’d buy it

well it’s pretty much in mint condition, why pay $10 more at GS or something?