Daigo going back to Ryu?
Can anyone recall hearing if Gief’s s.hp kd is techable?
…the number of people who do not want to use the best character in the game is astounding. 
And who would you say is the undisputed best.
If you say Sagat I will burn down 50 orphanages I swear on my life.
Say Sagat
He’s talking about Gouki.
…is it possible to be the best without the ability to trade into ultra? I don’t think so. :smokin:
Oh yah. He is prolly number 1. His only bad matches got nerfed. (twins)
Good question, anyone?
I’d be amazed if it was an untechable knockdown
Yea, it isnt super easy to land one of those, takes forever to come out so it would be good motivation to find better ways to use it!
Sagat is 
jk
Maybe they made it knockdown so that you can use it as a jump prevention in the corner. besides that it doesn’t sound to effective mid-screen where it probably knocks them away while it knocks them down. Unless it’s untechable of course, thugh most floaty knockdowns arn’t untechable. (Sakuras 1st/2nd Otoshi & Cody’s EX Ruffian hitting airborne are untechable, not many more)
I can imagine Close HP -> EX Hand is possible in the corner now though… maybe.
Close HP isn’t the one that knocks down though. Close HP looks like a 2 handed chop and far HP is Gief swinging the lumber.
edit: I am more thinking of it in terms of catching n.jumps like Honda stop sign Juri j.hk etc. On trade far s.hp xx exgh is supposed to work for some pretty impressive damage.
Would be great to be able use vs nj, too bad its active frames weren’t buffed as well. SO damn slow, its not a bad poke and beats other stuff out once it finally becomes active. Good to know you can exgh after it.
He had a rough time versus Honda (damage), Cammy, Bison, and Balrog. His nerfs have also made some of his good matchups worse.
Ryu, Ken, Zangief, Makoto, Balrog, and T. Hawk all got harder to a certain degree. Some over at the Akuma board were saying he no longer has an advantage over Sagat (I don’t agree with this, just adding).
EDIT: Tokido also claimed that Viper was/is a bad matchup for Akuma.
That was noted in a beta test that someone saw a s…hp trade to EXGH juggle. Should be 230 damage and 350 stun I think. Not that anyone is going to get stunned outside of headbutt really but still not too shabby.
Akuma will be strong, but idk about #1, would be nice to not ever have a clear cut #1. I think it’s sure he will be strong since he really doesnt have a set counter pick that does him in. Many others have at least one or a few. I think maybe Adon would be one of his worst that wasnt nerfed, but he isnt very popular.
2012 = Skill Edition
i agree, it will be nice to have a game where the top 3 are debatable. 2012 has so much potential, can’t wait for the patch to get released for console/pc.
Did you see them pass round a big bottle filled with water with some pipes hanging from it?