SSF4AE Version 2012 Changes . Ryu Ed

[Touchdown]

You have a very diferent interpretation from me and most of the guys over here about the word “reach” in that sentence .

You missed “OVERALL MOVEMENT” as well.

Look, I have some time experimenting everything we’ve been discussing here, and by what you re saying it seens to me that you dont, it seens to me that you are speculating heavily. Thats why I asked you to think about how many times you see the things you supose taht are good beeing used out there, you would ask yourself “why nobody uses such moves” and then you would start seeing the things more like I do. Nevermind.

2 x c.mp, s.MP connects on like 2 chars in the whole game, when they are standing and from point blank. Against crouching opponents, it works against no one.
From the range where the opponent may consider to perform a crouching tech there is plenty of better options to go than the s.mp. Theres a specific range where you can to use s.MP xx hadoken against most of the cast but cant to use c.HP xx hadoken. you cant hitconfirm the s.mp to then throw a hadoken, however. So if the opponent to block the s.mp, get ready to eat a combo or an ultra.

Its not good for frametraps overall, as you supose. And for what its somehow usefull, its only due the extra damage it does compared to the c.mk, but it whiffs a lot from such range.

Its a little good to poke, but its better as a counter poking tool (its specially good to outpoke Zangief 's s.MK), but from such range, anything other than a super wont connect after a canceled s.MP, and the s.MP could be cancelable into super since Vanila.

The point was cr. strong to st.strong [Which is a good frametrap and comboable] and cr. strong twice to st. strong xx is doable and it accounts for powerful linking which was the subject. Regardless if it doesn’t combo off of the whole cast. It is even shown in the test video in this thread that it can be useful on certain characters.

Its used in a few ocasions where a c.HP cant be used, happens against some chars. But you got me here, that buff had some utility, at first I tough that in every ocasion Ryu would be able to use the cl.MK he would also be able to use c.HP and that they buffed it just to compensate for the the ones who didnt use c.HP between Solar Plexus and Shoryuken, but I was wrong.

No problem…This isn’t a contest bro, lol.

Ryu’s rushdown is weak, thats all Ive beeing saying. Im not discussing if it should or shouldnt to be good.

When the opponent blocks the first c.mp, Ryu have to standup and walk too much in order to be able to hit c.mp, c.hp xx tatsu, that will to deliver some 250dmg. If he does c.LK xx c.LP too. Ryu is too far by the time the opponent’s c.LK comes out. That leaves him in a situation where he cant to do a good combo or a simple combo that allows him to keep the pressure… Frametrapping is a very subjective topic afterall. To me, Ryu’s rushdown game is one of the worses in the SF4 series.

Imo Capcom wanted Ryu to be good at Zoning, with decent pokes. Hes not good at zoning in this game, and the rushdown in SF4 series are too efective, once its Ryu’s worse area he ended up a not good enough char. Imo this would have been noticed even in Vanila, if people have had time to learn SF4 better. Id like to see Capcom making the zoning better and the rushdown not so strong as it is right now, but at this point I think its not possible anymore. I hope they work it better for the SF5 or whatever comes next.

Ryu’s zoning is weak in this game? His rushdown is weak? Looks like you are highly underestimating the basics of spacing and blockstrings and the power of Ryu’s cr. MP and overhead to put pressure on. Even his cl st. HK can be used in pressure/frametrap. You gotta get innovative…

[Shinebox]

CR.MK
Movement - active/recovery/Start up frames
Reach - hitbox
Hurtbox - Area where character is vulnerable (they said nothing about this)

Hurtbox is the nerf that hurts the most because it made Ryu’s best poke unsafe.

[The_Game_mario316]

The thing that really bugs me about HP DP not being FADC-able is that it’s such an intrinsic part of the SFIV series’ gameplay, and they’re making a giant exception for one character in one situation, especially the main character, in the main situation that it was intended to be used. Name another character with a ground-based, non-throw special move that you can’t focus cancel from. No character has a sweep or throw that gives a techable knockdown. Was it so great that it deserved to be nerfed? Sure, it can lead to big damage with Ultra, but it’s not like it’s free. It still costs meter to make the combo, and the damage nerf to Ultra (I won’t say Ultra I because that would make it sound like Ultra II is actually usable) made it pretty balanced in my opinion. I personally thought Super Ryu was strong without being overpowered, and that’s where he should have remained. The biggest problem is, these assholes whine and pressure Capcom into making ridiculous changes prematurely. If you let the game and the competition mature, you might have noticed that Ryu isn’t was fuck-all OP as everyone says. You get people that do random jump-ins and then bitch about being anti-aired. So what do? Nerf the anti-air. Reduced invincibility, reduced damage, unfavorable trades… jump-ins for free. People bitch about fireball zoning, so now every decent character has a free anti-fireball move, or two…or three. Get caught in crouching MK too much because you’re too impatient to block and your footsies suck? Nerf that shit! Corner escape tatsu a problem? Fuck it, only Bison, Yun, Yang, Fei-Long, Ken, Akuma, Honda, Blanka, Seth, etc., deserve Get-out-of-Jail-Free Cards anyway. Never mind that there were already tons of ways to counter/punish escape tatsu. God forbid Ryu has options.

qft.

I still think about what Daigo said when he was asked about this lol. “that doesn’t make sense.” XD

It really doesn’t make sense to be the only character that has 2 cancellable dps and one that isn’t which I don’t see it being useful any damn ways.

[Mipe]

Name another character with a ground-based, non-throw special move that you can’t focus cancel from.

T.Hawk

[p1nkt1t5]

T.Hawk

I do not think the dev team wanted T. Hawk to be doing upper fadc ultra 2, upper fadc nj. condor dive, [upper fadc ultra 1 on block mixups]. Would be a crazy powered up T. Hawk.

Ryu can only do so much after a upper fadc[block or hit]
T. Hawk with an upper fadc, is a ridiculous character

[Andrex261]

Final changes of Ryu:

Metsu Shoryuken
Extended hitbox upward in 3rd active frame.

Hadoken
Changed light/medium/heavy version damage from 60 to 70. Chip damage is the same as SSFIV AE, at 15.
Changed follow-up restrictions when a counter-hit is landed with the EX version so that follow-up is possible with any move.

Airborne Tatsumaki Senpukyaku
Adjusted timing of trajectory break-point to be 3F behind the previous point when initiated with an angled forward jump.

Solar Plexus Strike
Changed damage from 40 + 50 (90 total) to 40 + 60 (100 total).

Near Standing Heavy Kick
Equalized normal hit and counter-hit frame advantage.

Heavy Shoryuken
Made this a 1-hit move. Set damage in 1st and 2nd active frames to 160, and in 3rd to 14th active frames to 60. Made from start to 4th frame totally invincible. Made mid-air follow-up impossible. Removed possibility for EX Focus Attack and super canceling.

Crouching Medium Kick
Hit detection extended from 3F to 5F.

Seems very good to me. The cr.mk is back!!!

[Private_Eyeball]

I do not think the dev team wanted T. Hawk to be doing upper fadc ultra 2, upper fadc nj. condor dive, [upper fadc ultra 1 on block mixups]. Would be a crazy powered up T. Hawk.

Ryu can only do so much after a upper fadc[block or hit]
T. Hawk with an upper fadc, is a ridiculous character

I’d kill for that.

[Shinebox]

Heavy SRK cannot cancel to Super or FADC. Seems like a nerf

[DeathGun]

Heavy SRK cannot cancel to Super or FADC. Seems like a nerf

You can still to combo with LP to have the same damage or with MP and to lose like 10dmg, but now you won a AA that does 160dmg. Seens like a good buff to me.

No surprises, no changes after the last log. CH Ex hadoken got better explanation this time, now we know it can be followed by any move, just like that guy’s mod and its cool, you can to follow it with a sweep. Minor buff anyway coz its hard to hitconfirm a normal into it to catch a FA.

[s0lid_snake_mgs4]

Final changes of Ryu:

Seems very good to me. The cr.mk is back!!!

The hitbox and hurtbox are still the same so it isn’t exactly as good as it use to be. At least he got jump in tatsu back that’s my fav buff atm.

[Steel_Samurai]

Glad to see ryu retained all his buffs
If they just fixed the hurtbox on cr. mk now, he’d be perfect, but what can you do?
Can’t wait to body people with better zoning in 2012

[Kitty_Tan]

i dont understand how the HP.DP as Anti air works now,can i ask do we still do it like now? with MP.DP.

we have to do it like from crouching motion to reduce hit box and get maximum damage(2hits).

i understand the part they say it’s changed to 1 hit now but basically im trying to ask,do we anti air the same way ? just with a different button of course

[Rockman85]

i dont understand how the HP.DP as Anti air works now,can i ask do we still do it like now? with MP.DP.

we have to do it like from crouching motion to reduce hit box and get maximum damage(2hits).

i understand the part they say it’s changed to 1 hit now but basically im trying to ask,do we anti air the same way ? just with a different button of course

It is a one hit shoryuken just like vanilla street fighter 4. Do it as late as possible just like any other dp to get the full damage.

[Annihilationscape]

EX Hado changes intrigue me. Same with the HP SRK… I sense much lab time when Ver. 2012 drops. Overall I’m very optimistic about where Ryu is headed now. I perused the final change logs, and I’m seeing some other characters’ nerfs really helping Ryu out a lot. Gotta remember, don’t miss the forest for the trees.

[Frank_Lucas]

I dont think it’s matter of just substituting the mp.dp with the hp one when going for damage with your anti-air and not FADC’ing. The mp version is currently invincible for frames 1-5, but the new hp version will be invincible from frames 1-4 (which is up from just 1-2 in AE). This means that the timing for a deep hitting anti-air hp.dp will be slightly stricter.

Frank

[ilitirit]

The cr.mk changes should mean that you get 3 more frames to confirm a focus attack and then cancel into EX Hadouken FADC into whatever. Perhaps this will be decent incentive to use U2 in matches vs chars who like to FA a lot.

[Shinebox]

After playing around with Ryu for a bit in 2012 I can say that the cr.MK change is not from super. It traded or flat lost fairly often. His Tatsus escape from corner travels diagonally down and will not work on certain characters that can counter your escape (Cammy, Rose, Ken) to name a few. I think their goal is to have people try to rush down with Ryu instead of zoning in this patch which is why they made changes to Ultra 2.

His fireball damage buff is great though. He is definitely better than AE Ryu but its a toss up when you compare to Super. I still think Super Ryu is slightly better. I will record video when I come back on Monday

[CobraKai]

Yeah I came to the same conclusion. The main buff are his damage from Hadoken & SRK, while the tatus and MK isnt exactly what we wanted so hes only slightly better than AE version…

[smashingme]

Can we confirm one thing: does c.mk have the same range as in super (the range is shorter in AE)?

[Ezo]

The range is the same since sf4. Just active frames and hurtbox was change in ae.