SSF4 Guile Match-up Thread: Typhoon < Sonic Boom < Vortex

deteknician · October 14, 2011, 6:51pm

Depends which slash. It’s -2, -4, -8 and - 10 onblock as lp, mp, hp and ex respectively. Light is safe unless you have an SPD or Chun super. So light, which is used a lot you can’t punish, medium you can but it’s tight and Oni rarely uses medium. Hard and Ex. are easy to punish and are used frequently. They can crossover though so it might be easier to to try and interrupt.

AsianCupcake · October 15, 2011, 2:15pm

what do you guys do about Fei Long? I got destroyed tonight 15 games in a row by a fei

Di3mini0n · October 15, 2011, 7:20pm

Mago vs. Dieminion
(FeiLong vs Guile)

Final Score---- 3-1 Dieminion (non-recorded)
Will explain the matchup soon

Uryo & Momochi today

Ellipsen · October 15, 2011, 10:13pm

awesome, ur sim advice helped a lot, looking forward to it

AsianCupcake · October 16, 2011, 2:50am

Hey Di3, I would really appreciate any tips you can give on ANY matchups, and also are you coming to Canada Cup? I’d love to see you there

OnlineGarbage · October 16, 2011, 5:38am

Dieminion, i just heard that youre not on Team USA anymore? i hope not. This would be ass. Look forward to seeing you up against the Japs

Di3mini0n · October 16, 2011, 11:19am

SBV DAY 2

USA vs. World
Final Score 16-9 World
Final Winning Score 13-6

Highlights include me going 0-5 against team World

Top 32 winners beating Laugh (Korean Ryu player) 2-0
If bracket format stays, will be playing Infiltration (Korean Akuma player) as my first match tomorrow.

OnlineGarbage · October 16, 2011, 12:14pm

Gamble FK’s against mago didnt pay off but you had him man. Did you panic? Guile is simply flawed in high level play. Good try nonetheless

Di3mini0n · October 16, 2011, 5:06pm

Panic flashkicks is what it looked like? Wow, I look like a scrub then. I thought it was understood that that i meant to do flashkick fadc to make it safe but ex came out by accident. The last flashkick was a mindgame from the set we played the day before. He didn’t press anything before so I thought he would this time.

Blueberry · October 16, 2011, 5:16pm

Can someone tell me what should I use against Dudley’s jumpin elbow? Any AA I’ve tried is stuffed or trades. Otherwise if i block it’s just a free mixup for him after that.

InsertCoins25 · October 16, 2011, 8:04pm

I have a few questions. I’m probably around a 1200 PP Guile on XBox. I tend to vary from around 800 - 1800 PP though. Just looking to get better.

Any advice on Vega wall dives? I’ve read and know I can hit them sometimes by jumping back or forward with HK or HP or air throw. Is HK or HP safer in general? If the wall dive is from the wall closest to Vega should I be jumping back or forward? If the wall dive is from the wall closest to me should I be jumping back or forward? I have a lot of trouble with the timing and I’m looking for an easy way to beat this. I know to focus or dash out on wake-up.

**Edit - I’m thinking jump back MP (or away from the wall of the dive) is the safest for the most part. If both Guile and Vega are at full screen and Vega tries to jump to the wall nearest Guile jump towards the wall… air throw looks like it’s easy. If Guile and Vega are near the middle of the screen looks like you can walk forward with little risk of getting hit too. Overall, jump away from the wall MP seems the safest overall though.

Against Bison, I can punish the headstomp easy by just walking back and St HP. Easy and works every time. What is the best strategy against LK/MK Scissor kick spammers. I know I can punish HK Scissors with Cr MP/Flash Kick. The LK Scissors are safe though. If they are just spamming them should I just throw out a Back St HP. It seems like trying Cr MK or Cr HK is dangereous in this match. In general, I’m thinking I always want a boom out there before trying anything like that.
What is the best way to handle Rose when she gets in close? I know I can zone Rose out fairly easy but when she gets in what moves should I use to push her back.
In aggressive match-ups like Juri, Makota, Guy… how do I get them off of me when they get in close. It seems like I’m getting stuck in block frame traps a lot. In general, I think these are good match-up for Guile but I have trouble with the higher level players.
One last one. I’m thinking unless I’m in a combo or I see the other player focus’ing I should avoid throwing EX Booms too close to the opponent. Is this a good general rule of thumb? Lately, it seems like I’ve been getting stuffed a lot before the EX Boom comes out.

AsianCupcake · October 16, 2011, 8:32pm

Yeah Di3 everyone on stream and all the commentators were all really confused by what you did

OnlineGarbage · October 16, 2011, 9:35pm

try to dash or knee bazooka underneath him… depends on timing and your reaction time. If its on wake up just block. His elbow has a lot of priority. Anyone else know? i think uppercut stuffs it. Your best bet would be trying it in the lab.

TRI4CE1 · October 16, 2011, 9:56pm

React with an air grab if the Dudley is being obvious about it.

Standing lp I find trades most of the time.

Depending on the distance Guile high kick will give you a nice trade or beat clean depending on his button press.

I think a well timed lk fk or ex fk will beat and or give you nice trade options aswell.

Blueberry · October 16, 2011, 10:48pm

Air throw gets stuffed 90% of the time by the elbow, and i’m not too shabby with my air throws

OnlineGarbage · October 17, 2011, 2:24am

Where did you find this matchup advice for Sim by Dieminion? Can you link me man?

Ellipsen · October 17, 2011, 8:24am

nj hp works well too

OnlineGarbage · October 18, 2011, 8:28am

Di3mini0n:

Something I thought about lately in regards to Sim match-up. I know you guys are thinking that the match-up is worse than before due to counter hit for booms and slow meter building, but the match-up is actually* easier* than it was.

Dhalsim’s st.fierce should never hit a Guile player. We know that this is one of the ways that Sim can score good damage on Guile while staying in his comfort zone. So what can we do about this?

simply Block. Most of the reason why I do so well against Sim is because when he is in his max poking range, I do not press buttons or throw booms. It’s just simply not in your favor so why try attack. Instead, wait until he pushes himself out of poking range or until he does yoga fire to match a boom with him.

If you want to play with fire and not be such a turtle like me in situation, cr. strong beats Sim’s st.fierce clean when it’s active frames are out already. If you can anticipate when your opponent is going to attack cr. strong buffer ex sonic boom is a good way to scare them and deal good damage while near max screen distance. However I think there is a better usage for EX in this match-up so I rarely use this tactic, plus it’s not guaranteed. At worst timing it will trade.

Focus bait or guess focus. What is meant by baiting is that good Sim players won’t throw out st.fierce if they see a focus attack, but instead the will first throw out maybe cr.strong or st.forward or cr.jab. These limbs cannot be hit by focus attack done by Guile. Good Sim players knows this and in us knowing this we use this tactic to “test” our opponent. So we use focus attack to absorb a poke and quickly dash back and crouch block to maintain down charge and regain some life. Guess focus works on ordinary Sim players that auto pilots st.fierce so please use level 2 focus to punish and scare them to use the move again.

Closing the distance on Sim is probably what we as Guile players want to do the very most, but it’s hard due to Sim’s yoga fire combined with his quick limbs and various anti-air options. However there is a way to close distance on Sim taking minimal risk and in closing the distance you either force him to play a close game for a while or even push him into the corner!

Let him throw a yoga fire, but don’t match it with a boom. Instead jump back or use rolling sobat backwards and wait for it to dissipate. Right when it does throw fierce boom and use knee bazooka to close the distance. Sim will just be getting out of recovery to take another action. This is where you wait or take initiative. You’ll be in distance to punish or answer Sim’s next move, whether it be a slide which you should sweep on reaction or throw another fire which is bad for Sim because now you’re in range to match with a boom and hit him with backfist. When you’re in this range, don’t back up but don’t attack. Hold your ground and wait for Sim to make a move to decide what to do next. Have trust and Sim players will back off and push themselves into the corner which is what we want. There is more to it in this situation but it gets a bit more specific so i’ll display in a tutorial that I’m working on.

Jumping Dhalsim can make the match-up tricky because he has nice options when he takes to the air. It probably makes you unsure of whether to anit-air or air to air him. He has different drills, limbs and a teleport for you to worry about. Mid screen is the only time you should worry about this though because from this distance his drills can beat your options. His Mummy drill (the head one) is the one to worry about the most because from a low trajectory you can’t focus this and if you block, it put him at enough frame advantage to do anything. Anyway I suggest whatever action to take let him land and if he lands close to you, hold ground. If he is still on the other side of the screen, play the match-up accordingly.

I’ll try to post a match of me playing Arturo in recent tourneys, for some reason they’re hard to find online

How is it that i missed this wealth of information? damn it… Dieminion, you should copy n paste this in an entirely separate post. Great stuff. Can’t wait to try this. THANK YOU

OnlineGarbage · October 18, 2011, 8:32am

Standing LP trade is laughable, its blocked SB damage. I wouldn’t say it “beats” the amount of damage Guile takes from Blankas jumping FK. Its pretty clear on life meter.

“A” for effort Gilley but I think the best options are crouch attacks you came up with. Great work man.

By the way, would you happen to know how many frames guile’s prejump is? I heard Jago say it was 4 frames for most characters but im unsure of this for guile.

gilley · October 18, 2011, 11:53am

You take more damage but the important thing is you get better positioning and keep your opponent from doing even more damage. Crouching attacks don’t work well in that situation as was said in the video.

Dhalsim = 3f
Zangief/Thawk/Hakan = 6f
everyone else = 4f