SSF4 Arcade Edition 2012 complete Gouken

[Efo]

It’s one of my favourite things to say though. However I have NEVER made an allusion that it’s easyand is in fact one of the most difficult things in the game. Something I often prove as my opponents don’t know how to stop bushing buttons and well, Gouken eats that for lunch.

Online however, eats Gouken for lunch as his design is NOT friendly to any form of lag unless they are really dumb(why would you keep jumping if I just c.HPd you 7 times in a row?), not to mention eats my playstyle which is centered on my reactions and ability to chose Goukens best normal for a certain job(Shoutouts to Goukens normals btw, I love those things, especially how capcom showed them some serious love in 2012, far Hp was already a beast and I was so sad at its damage nerf, thank you AE and 2012 <3).

Glad to hear man, our kara may not be ken status, but our focus and hadou are both better than his(except his airborne focus hitbox thing, that’s pretty sweet)
Kara focus is a big thing thanks to how good our focus is(pity backdash is crap, but we gotta balance out somewhere(heck one buff that I think would cement Gouken as S tier would be a (much)better backdash). Gouken is tough to play, but once you start playing with all his tools readily at your disposal it just becomes a total nightmare for some opponents out there, even more when they don’t even know whats going on(common except amongst other dutch players, I fear I’ve been teaching them the matchup too well XD)

That’s one that always puzzeld me, as normals tend to not work that way(ive seen normals with less recovery than startup and activation added together -1), but reading fireballs always struck me as odd. I’ve never quite gotten that.

I figure out how to use Kara throw but from what you put is Kara focus and Kara hado better to use then Gouken’s Kara throw. Also I like using Kara throw when I do demonflip dive kick into St. mp, and then do Kara throw into backthrow. I got my friends a few times with the Kara throw.

[Reipin_Pillage]

The extra range from Kara focus is pretty big, especially since Gouken steps forward when he does his focus. I have yet to use in a game but it was pretty damn sweet looking in training.

I used Kara-hado vs guile the other day. Spent about 60 seconds kara hadoing him to the other side of the screen. He kept backing up when doing his booms, I kept moving forward without having to give up any ground in the fireball game

[X7_THE_TRUTH_7X]

Kara-hado and Kara focus how to do?

[mowr]

You press the kara button

[Reipin_Pillage]

Kara-hado and Kara focus how to do?

Same way you do Kara throw only you do focus instead of throw or a fireball instead of throw.

Once you know how to kara it’s all the same shit.

[Black-Toof]

st.far.HK is the best to use.

and do the the appropiate, hado/focus/grab a split second after.
If your HK foot comes out you did it too late, if you don’t move you did it too early.

[street11]

Super can link after cl.st.MK on hit, but I dont think it is +3 on hit.

This is why Supers are too weird.

[Souchan]

You sure you didn’t cancel by accident?

Edit: Ladies and gentleman capcom lied.

I just punished HK Dankyaku on block and Balrogs light dash straight on hit. My friends, we are the proud owners of a 2f Super.

Capcom you sly bastards I love you!

(barring them actually making all those moves -3 you know, I’m off to the lab for more fun)

Edit part 2: Some things I’ve been reversaling with our Super that should be -2
Viper light thunder kuckle(when spaced well we will whiff though, but we actually have a lot of ranges it isn’t, pity M knuckle is -1)
Dudley MGB and SSB light are both -2 and the rest even worse
Our very own c.MK on block
Ken step kick from pretty good distance

There have been some -2 things that I couldn’t but I assume that’s probably due to active frames or AE changes I just don’t know from the top of my head.

[howling]

Holy shit, this is kinda big. This should help in many matchups.

[street11]

I’ve been wondering if I could because I could punish some (but NOT ALL) -5 stuffs with 1+5 supers.

In reality it is 3f, but it acts like 2f ones when punishing/comboing some stuffs.

But what’s even more weird is that linking super after normals that give +3 on hit feels like 1f link, while linking super after normals that give +2 on hit feels like 1f link as well.

[Reipin_Pillage]

I feel like punishing with super is a fucking joke. You get so much leeway because of the reversal window whereas if you are punishing with a normal you get no leeway.

[PRO_KILLER_408]

Super can link after cl.st.MK on hit, but I dont think it is +3 on hit.

This is why Supers are too weird.

HCF(2)>cr.lk~super is neat! sorry if my notation is wrong…i didnt put much time into this but will later today