I only do the DF slide by accident lol
same here, when playing online on a CRAPPY connection (3 bars) i sometimes get the slide instead of the throw because of input delay…I don’t think i’ve ever done that shit on purpose
[media=youtube]xCmxK17t-eE[/media] I didn’t notice that before in both ultras. Looks more epic here though
In your opinion sucks simply cause you don’t know how to use it at the right time so in YOUR eyes its useless but me who uses ALL of Akuma’s moves I catch 95% of “Good” players of guard simply cause they don’t expect it. Especially when all I need is 1 more hit to stun them the last move a good, great player expect is a DF Slide.
Don’t say the DF Slide is useless just cause you don’t know how to use it properly…
df palm into option select c.lk > combo or c.mk xx ex tatsu have the same “surprise” effect but are a lot safer. Hell, even df palm into sweep is better…
There IS a reason why no one uses that shit, you know? Have you ever seen a jap akuma use it? Or even sanford, shady k or EdMa? Yes, you MIGHT catch someone off guard, but what if you don’t? You lose the game?
That move sucks, and it’s not because I’m not able to use it. You probably think it’s good because you’re playing on a level where it doesn’t get punished properly. Of course it’s good to use if the people you’re playing against punish it with a sweep, but if you start getting punished with fat combos or ultras (akuma can ultra that shit for 600 damage) you’re eventually gonna realize it sucks. You can even be thrown out of it, lol.
In ALL the situations (and i mean ALL the situations) where you can land a df slide (your opponent blocking high and not jumping) you might as well land a df throw which:
A) is safer
B) does more damage
C) puts you in a better position for mixups
now please, tell me why the fuck I should chose slide over throw or palm.
First of All I play offline tourneys and one of the main things I get after I beat an opponent is “damn I can’t believe you got me with the DF slide” so to put it in simply words I never said use it “all the times” I simply said use it when the opponent least expect it…did you know that ALOT of Japanese players get punish on a regular DF palm? hell if anything they trade…Also its your choice whether u want to use the DF slide or not…I can care less if you use it or not BUT using Akuma is using everything he has in his arsenal not just limiting yourself just cause YOU think a certain move is “worthless”. That worthless move has help me stun and won rounds when the opponent was expecting a DF palm(they dash back) or a kick(they s.high block) or a grab(they dash back again).
Also Im not trying to play like Ed Ma, Shady K or any Jap players…if you want to mimic them then thats you…I have my own style of play and it has help me reach top 10 offline tourneys in my local area so I’m doing just fine and I’m still learning…
yeah… as zoner said… slide is good against those folks that like to backdash… i sometimes will use it against shitty opponents to hit there backdashes…
however… yeah that move is horrible. options select df palm> sweep or hk or fp will hit backdashes as well. i only really use it for the lulz… never would use it against any semblance of "good"m player and i also fuck up and get the damn move sometimes as well.
lol slide is funny.
-dime
I have used it against really good players some of who are in the final round XIII that I’m sure they gonna make top 20. Once again it depends on how you use it as well as “when” you should use it. If your gonna use it recklessly then your an idiot but if your a calculated player and play good mind games I don’t care who or how good your opponent is you will catch them.
you can “catch” someone with damn near any move in the game. no one is saying that you cant catch people with it… ive “caught” some of calis best players with it by doing it on accident.
doesnt mean the move is “good” there are better options that work the EXACT same. only real use the move has is a combination to option select beat both a high block and a backdash. but safety easily takes precedence there and any decent player would rather opt to try and beat one of those options safely rather than to try and beat 2 unsafely.
also anyone can say that if you use “insert move” shittily, that you will get punished… you arent teaching anyone anything with that statement. and it is an invalid argument. the best moves in the game are easily beaten if used mindlessly, even srk fadc to safety.
ther is no point to an argument that is based on “you have to be smart”, that is already a given. i dont doubt that you hit good players with it… i doubt the frequency that you hit them with it, and i doubt that you are getting away with it without getting punished, ever, very hard on block. if a good player blockks that even once you can expect to lose atleast 30% of your health… and thats actually very low, generally speaking if a good player blocks something that laggy that is right in there face, you are looking at 50% or more, gone.
if you are only hitting purposeful slides once every 5 rounds… you can give it up… its still a bad tactic. if you are hitting it even once every 3 rounds it is still pretty suspect. if you are hitting it once a round then your opponents are suspect.
-dime
-11 frames on block! es muy malo!
First of all how do you know who I play? or if I done that move to a “good” player? are you there when I do that? I mean one thing is you responding to my comment another is being plain stupid? Like I wrote in the past I don’t do it everytime just when they least expect it. Also you said it doesn’t make the move “good” well genius it also doesnt make it a “bad” move either. If you don’t use it cause you wanna be safe then thats good for you and your game play but the fact is it isn’t a “bad” move simply because its in the game and has been for a minute. Also I do get away with it 95% of the time why cause for 1. I don’t use it every round…2. I use the DF slide very carefully and only when the opponent isn’t expecting it…now have I got punish for it in the past…YES I have hence is why I learned to use it when the option is available during the vortex or a back dash.
“the best moves in the game are easily beaten if used mindlessly, even srk fadc to safety.” Thank you is why I said and wrote that I don’t use it all the time and only use it when the opponent least expect it. I use the palm and the grab more than the slide BUT when I use the slide I use it effectively and to the opponent is very unexpected of a Akuma player using the slide.
BTW I’m not trying to be a “smart guy” or a genius but when playing with Akuma you have to be a smart player and not play recklessly and use mind games…get it together
BTW I’m done with this conversation cause opinions is like a asshole…everybody has one…
please stop responding to the same people saying slide is good. Obviously they have made up their mind that they like to use it regardless.
But I’ll try really really quick (and please don’t respond to this Zoning G or whomever…) but the point isn’t that the move is necessarily completely useless as a move… its just that the move has an overlapping purpose with empty palm c.mk/c.lk/c.hk. The reason that the slide is therefore “useless” is because its the completely unsafe option of the two and does a lot less damage. Under that sterling logic its not possible to say there is much of a purpose to use slide INSTEAD of palm c.move.
but if you are getting away with it 95% of the time you are either using it not very often with a bit of luck or your opponents aren’t very good… its as simple as that. Its the same logic of someone saying that they hit their opponent 95% of the time with wake-up ultras… either the opponent isn’t learning to deal with it meaning they aren’t very good or you are using it so sparingly that the sample size is too small to mean much (doesn’t make it a BAD option though). The real problem isn’t if you use slide as much is if its the only low option from demon flip you are using. You can get away with being unnecessarily risky with the slide if you also are using empty palm c.mk fb/lk tatsu sometimes as well. The real problem is if you are using the slide as your only low option off the flip.
and you can’t KNOW what your opponent will do… only make educated guesses. And it makes a lot more sense to cover all your bases with an empty palm then to do the slide. Hell… the opponent could jump at the last moment and punish you as opposed to getting option select dp’ed had you palmed. Just that scenario alone would make the palm the go to option. But it doesn’t matter really… if the slide is working well against the people you play and you aren’t going to EVO or anything then it really is more about enjoying yourself… so use the slide or palm if its what you like.
but now… no more demon flip stuff… I went through some useless self-righteous trolling crap from someone in the gouken forum already and if people want to say that slide is better or empty palm is… just play the other person and see which seems to be more effective (not 2 games… play 20 or so).
cl.mp is okay, but its purpose is overlapped and expanded upon by cl.hp (more damage) and c.mp (more range) … meaning there isn’t a reason to use it over the others. The move works fine… there just isn’t a reason to use it INSTEAD of one of the other two moves making it useless (understand what I mean by useless?)
As for whomever mentioned s.mk… I just don’t see a real purpose to it. cl.mk falls under the same overlap issue that cl.mp does and far mk basically is a non-comboable version of c.mp or a weaker shorter version of far hp without the anti-air use.
Sorry GATOR but I have to respond because like the other guy how do you know who I play against with? or if they are any good? What would you say that I done that to some of the players in this site that has won tourneys in FL…googlemyname,Bronxpuertorock…etc See unless you seen me in tourneys or seen me play and understand how i play Akuma and when I use the DF slide how and THEN and only THEN you can comment but like I said before if YOU believe it’s useless then THAT’S your choice…I don’t believe it’s useless and Once again I have use it on some of the BEST players in FL and it was very effective. and BTW I didn’t made NO type of argument to say which one is better (palm or Slide) all I simply said is it’s not useless and playing 20 games ain’t gonna change the fact that it’s not useless. Thank You and let’s move on to another topic…
We’re all playing the same game. There is never a situation where the slide does more damage or is more safe than palm to any crK. Period.
Yesterday I was using the slide and surprisingly I landed it a couple of times. It might be unsafe on block but doing DF palm to trip or whatever is so easy to notice, everyone just grabs it or down blocks once they see akuma’s palm. DF slide looks like a df kick and they will be standing up on wakeup usually, so it will hit them. But you guys are right about it isn’t safe and does less damage but imo opinion it’s easier to land than DF palm into any crouching kick.
if they’re spamming throw they’ll throw you out of the slide anyways. Happened to me a few times when i mistimed the df throw
Are you aware that demon slide is the name of akuma’s teleport technique ? Reread his post, it will make more sense to you.
DF slide sucks balls.
Aahh it all makes sence now xD For all the people, here is the quote again:
From Eventhubs via a guy who was at the recent tourney in France. He got to speak with Daigo, Eita and Fuudo:
“Oh yeah, Daigo, Eita and Fuudo tested SSF4 (not the final release, no Hakan there), and for those who are interested in this, Eita managed to land Gouki’s Ultra 2 during a Demon Slide.”
We probably get to cancel ultra 2 during a demon slide.