theory fighting is always easy. Facts are different. You’re basing your opinions on fighting vs a cammy that isn’t even remotely close to alioune’s level…if you wanna anti air him, you’re gonna eventually whiff and eat a 40% combo. Or you’re gonna time it wrong and eat a 40% combo…or yeah, you’re gonna do him 80 damage from 2 hits of hp srk…wow. The risk/reward ratio doesn’t look to be in your favour.
In the video chocolo posted alioune missed quite a few links, i have no idea why…but yesterday he missed maybe 3 or 4 links in 15 matches…and he wasn’t doing the ass c.lk c.lp c.lk hit confirm…he was always going for s.mp c.hp c.mk or c.lp s.mp c.mk…those do a fuckton of damage and stun, if he touches you 2 times your’re stunned and dead.
Then again, consider that now cammy has an unblockable that works vs akuma off a back throw…and you ARE gonna get thrown eventually…no, you can’t teleport.
Who cares. I don’t play the player, I play the character. And facts are when scenario X happens you have option Y.
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Why?
I’m saying to gain a fundamental understanding of how to AA Cammy. Once you have that the risk of whiffing will be very low because that understanding gives you insight on how to avoid being baited. Plus once the opponent knows you can AA the divekicks you will see alot less of them, reducing your risk even further.
Every single jump attack in Street Fighter history has a favorable risk/reward ratio vs DP. It’s nothing short of ridiculous to say you shouldn’t because of that. You should tell Daigo/Valle/Choi/Poongko/every top player ever to stop AA because it’s “too risky”.
LOL
Great, then level up your game so that his opportunity to touch you is reduced or that the risk is on his end as well.
If you’re going to stay too afraid to do anything then obviously you will keep losing. If you are happy with losing then carry on.
It can be blocked, it’s just hard.
Have you even hit training mode at all concerning this matchup?
Just try it. If you always keep in mind that it could eventually whiff, you let Cammy play her game. One or two hits are enough in a match to make her think it isn’t safe. And of yourse if you guess wrong it’s over. But it’s the same with cammy. Her specials are all pretty easy to punish.
Afair her unblockable isn’t a real unblockable. Ain’t there one or two frames where you can block? Did you practice this?
I didn’t want to intervene her in your Alioune discussion. Just some general thoughts.
I know Im scrub tier compared to a lot of people in here but I’ve faced Manny and MarlinPie’s Cammys. I understand the person you are talking about is on a whole other level, but in my personal opinion you CANNOT be scared of Cammy. Once you are scared to try and keep her out, once you are scared to DP, etc you will lose this match. You have to play neutral (keep her at bay with a superior footsies game) or aggressive against Cammy. If you are too scared and just sit on defense she will eventually crack you.
I’ll offer a different perspective here, but not SSIV since I suck at the game and cannot relate that well. I’m a very good Cammy player in HDR, I play almost every night with the game’s most popular players. Cammy’s worst match is Honda, and its about 7-3 or 8-2. I will often lose even to average Honda’s because the match is just really bloody hard. I have every other matchup covered and I know most of the tricks versus Honda, but regardless it can be insane. I’m not taking any sides here in this argument but I will say that really one-sided matchups can feel impossible. In fact, I eventually started using Vega as a counter to Honda.
Take that for what its worth.
EDIT: The other thing I forgot to mention. Allioune is probably the 2nd best Cammy in the world after Sako. Chances are he’d even rape Tokido, and we all saw Tokido lose to Sako at one God’s Garden.
At this same range, Cammy can just do a slightly early TKCS to whiff and bait your incoming DP, then land and block/avoid the DP and punish for 320 damage. In addition to landing some DPs, this happens to Daigo quite often too.
Akuma’s DP also doesn’t have the benefit of the huge horizontal range increase after startup, like Ryu’s, so this is even easier to pull off on him.
of course alioune is 100x stronger than me and anyone in this forum, but with cammy it feels especially bad.
It’s not about being salty, i get salty when i feel i lost against someone who’s inferior to my skill or because i got randomed out. Vs Alioune i knew he was better than me and i felt it every second we were playing, no need to be salty when you’re losing to one of the best sf4 players in the world
Her OS spinning backfist beats U2 and if cammy delays her ultra (no OS, just do it on reflex) it’ll also be impossible to use U2 to make the teleport safe.
You can tell this 100 times and people will still think they can safely AA cammy just because the cammy’s their playing against aren’t smart enough not to do STUPID jump ins and cannon strikes.
superlollo is right times 1000. people are theory fighting like crazy on this forum but alioune is a different beast.
divekick isnt safe. fact.?
cr.jab isnt safe. fact. whats your point. youre not going to reliably punish a divekick if the cammy youre playing is competent.
Heh just on a random note looking at your signature superlollo it seems like my quote is making its way around. You are the third person who quoted me on that post.
I have to agree. While I don’t agree with it being 7-3 Cammy, it is definitely one of the more miserable match ups because Akuma doesn’t have the health to guess wrong and Cammy has the tools to keep the pressure on.
All I can say is that against cammy you should rely more on your ground game and fundamentals rather than punishing her shenanigans, because they hurt and can be avoided simply by blocking. AAing her instant dive is hard and can only be done if the cammy player is predictable, unless you have like 0.05 sec reactions, which I doubt. Safe palm / palm whiff works ok against her, she can be safe jumped and that’s a gift. But miss it by a pixel and there goes like 1/3 of your health bar. =(
I think it’s 7-3 easily. Cammy has 1 option for everything akuma does without meter, 2 options with EX meter, 3 options with ultra meter. It’s that bad.
