Who?
Look at Seth. Until Poongko he was shit. Too little everything to be viable, yet with enough work he is.
Akuma has won what…one major since post SF4? Only two players in the world have done anything with him.
These nerfs may make him obsolete. Other characters may do what he does better.
Somebody’s upset. Listen bro, you mean to tell me that ALL of Akuma’s AMAZING tools are now worthless because he can get SPD’d out of a s.hk on block and the loss of a couple of vortex setups. Allrighty then.
Tell me, who does Akuma lose to now that he didn’t lose to before?
Jeez some people must get blown up pretty damn badly by Akuma to be THAT butthurt about it lol, I mean Yun got nerfed and I didn’t even bother going to troll their forums like some people who seem to have waaaay too much free time in this thread.
And here lies the problem - Akuma’s tools are not amazing. They are decent, but that’s it.
Teleport - decent
Demon Flip - decent
Fireballs - decent
DP - decent
He’s has always been a collection of useful options but not necessarily powerful ones. Which is why he doesn’t have any bad matchups beyond 6/4 but also why he doesn’t have any dominating matchups either. His stuff is a worse version of the optimal version but also not the worst. His options and moves lay right in the middle.
fei long for sure.
Reason? no other move to play footsies with him. If you say “you got the sweep” guess what, rekkas punish it (ex rekka punishes it from max range).
Vortex will always be effective to some degree as it is the character’s strong point, but to get to that you need to get the sweep. Not the throw, not the s.rh, not the teleport, not the hadoken, not the srk, not his momma, not his pappa, but the sweep.
There will be more matchups that WILL get much tougher since u will have to pretty much double your efforts of winning and i assure you that it already isnt sth easy.
Akuma’s teleport is hands down the best in the game. Other than that I’ll say that he doesn’t have the best dp or fireball.
Only two characters have a demon flip, Akuma and Gouken. Akuma’s is obviously better than Gouken’s.
Killer Jigglypuff = another ignorant person who should worry about his own character.
You guys are vastly overrating Akuma’s tools. The fact of the matter is his tools are no longer intimidating or worth mastering with a horribly nerfed vortex.
Without his vortex, he’s just a crappier version of Ryu, Ken and Evil Ryu.
Well again we go with the boring arguments.
I’ll just ask you two questions:
Tell me, do you know why Akuma wins? Because he has vortex right? Vortex comes mainly from TWO of his tools, the forward throw and landing a sweep. They take away one option from us, WITHOUT giving us anything in return, (20 dmg on U2, mention it, and I think we’re done with the convesration, because it’s not a buff, it’s more like a joke) so tell me, is it fair? Reasonable? If you think so, by all means, prove it, I want to know why they did that just as everybody else in here, because that’s HALF of our mixups gone, and no more mid-screen safe-jumps and vortex.
They nerf our BEST poke, making it useless in those few matchups it was actually working correctly allowing us to pressure opponents, ironicly, most of those characters HAVE a command grab, so now, all they gotta do againts akuma is put him in the corner, there, after that you can’t do shit. Oh and just try to stop them from advancing forward by poking with stHK, see what happens to youre life-bar then.
In addition to that, the times we would get desperate, and actually throw it out there, and get gods blessing and would hit someone, we’ll deal LESS dmg, the move deals now like half the dmg it used to since Vanilla.
So, ok, that’s a fucking shame aint it? Maybe we got something in return? A better hitbox perhaps? Maybe some buff’s in the stun\dmg department on our specials\moves? No, we get a, tha-da!, EX zanku hadou out of EX DF, which will probably cost us 2 meters. Say what again? Logic? Fair?
And I didn’t even mention that with the HK nerf we got our frame traps messed up, and the DF palm nerf at all. Man be more realistic, Akuma’s been nerfed EVERY game, without recieveng any notable buffs, we couldn’t even use our ultra 2 for like a year cuz of the fucked up hit box, which made it practical only on Rog’s by OS it from a DF palm. You can’t say that what they’re doing is normal, and you can’t say that Akuma is gonna be still good, because, at least for now, it’s looking like they’ve cut him in half from what he used to be, without bothering themselfs to give him something back in return that would be worth the name.
so you saying akuma is going to be what in the next game? mid tier? low tier?
Sim and Bison have far faster teleports. Akumas port goes a specific distance regardless so that is an advantage but it is way slower.
Regardless ports in general are ass anyway making any port only decent.
Guy.
Anyway Gouken flip is much faster and has a way better sweep option. The only reason Akuma’s DF is good is because of the palm, which is nerfed.
Again regardless these flipping moves are slow as fuck and even the best flip is still only decent.
Prolly mid.
We should really focus all our energy into the Capcom thread/voting though. I’m hearing the voting is going down? Does that mean people are going against it, or are not enough people voting up?
These Akuma nerfs do a tremendous job of revealing how fucking ignorant people are towards the character. It’s honestly a little more humorous than it is frustrating reading such stupidty.
Its like saying “viper has the best burning kicks”… there isnt much comparison. You judge the move itself there.
The teleport is very good and Akuma wouldnt be viable without that, but it can be punished with easy by alot of the cast.
The demon flip is (or was) awesome because it is the START of the vortex, because of the armor breaking palm which also hits overhead and doesnt have extra recovery than that of a j.rh. Now keep in mind the change to that move.
DP is good as anti air.
Fireball is decent.
You get hit twice and you almost lose. Now you dont have the health lead and gl taking it back. In a defense game like that you need health.
Abel and makoto for example have both health and Akuma like vortex.
I’d say with the current changes Akuma would be at the bottom of the B class depending on balance. Some bad match ups and no dominating ones(not that he had more than one or two 7/3’s in Super in AE, anyway)
He’ll also EASILY be the worst shoto.
Not enough voting man, I don’t think you can vote down in the suggestion box, only ignore, or vote up, I’ll try to hook some other Akuma players from my community (as poor as it is lol), everybody should do the same. Register, vote up, and sign in the thread is the least an Akuma player can do for now.
REPOSTING THE LINKS TO THE PETITION, SO THAT WE WON’T LOSE IT, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT FRESH xD
http://www.capcom-unity.com/go/suggestion/box - VOTE UP!
http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/go/thread/view/7411/28312267/Akuma_petition_from_Akuma_players?pg=1 - SIGN UNDER, AND POST!
It’s not about nerfing the character for me. If Capcom decided they wanted him to do less damage or even make st.hk -2(which they have), I can deal.
My issue is they are literally breaking the character. Like a jump rope that only has one handle for gripping. The way the character has been played for 4 years isn’t going to work anymore…literally. The vortex was what made him good, and now it is nerfed to the EXTREME.
Air fireballs, teleports, no reason to stand anymore on wake up, and inferior normals when compared to other shotos, fei long, chun li, bison, balrog, and others! So scary! He’ll be top 5 for sure.
Akuma was balanced in Super and AE though. Who did Akuma annihilate in AE or Super to the point where it felt like it was pointless to even try fighting him?
bottom mid-tier for sure. Maybe a little worser, maybe a little better, can’t really say until the patch is out, and we all here know that that’s not all the changes they’re gonna do, be sure that more are coming.
Ignore the fool lol, he’s trying so hard to get under our skins, and he doesn’t have anything reasonable to say, just enjoying himself thinking that nerfing someone, would actually make HIM play better xD
5-5 and better is far better than what a lot of the cast is.
And your point is?
I missed where having even match ups is a bad thing.
play better against akuma! Get corrected sir. Ahem, you mad? yep you mad. Also i’m not trolling or trying to get under your skin i’m actually quite accurate of what i’m talking about. What i’m talking about is what akuma got and deserved and don’t expect him to get anything in return and only expect more nerfs if they do mention him again. If it is a buff it will be one that won’t matter or it will just be a fix to whatever isn’t working properly. So how about dem nerfs?