That list is good. Like Ryu players don’t get enough hate as it is. Make him the best in the game again!
lol give me a break corners are no worse for ryu and akuma than any other character. If anything they have it better than most with great reversals and footsies.
Forward + Fierce usually only lands as a punish. Plus, a lot of character’s Fierces and Roundhouses do 200 stun and are cancelable. Are you sure you aren’t biased because of your character? The loss of air Tatsu escape does feel like a nerf that should have been addressed before Arcade SSF4. They sort of waited too long to do it.
Air tatsu nerf is booty buttcheeks… >_>
LOL, here we go again!
You should have seen this dude’s list of changes for Ryu before SSFIV came out. Godlike troll if I’d ever seen one. Was getting people like 100 pages later.
It’s pretty bothersome that they nerfed him again, but all I can do is keep on trucking and hope for a buff or two by the time the completed version drops.
Joudan would be lovely. EX Joudan -> Metsu Srk (full) would make me a happy camper. As I said in the thread for console SSFIV, They could balance the utility of it by simply making EX Joudan cost 50% meter. Considering Juri’s EX Dive kick though, I don’t see how having a wall bounce move resulting in one good U2 setup would be a big deal at all.
The only other thing I want is a few more frames of invincibility on his SRK. Just MP SRK would be fine. But simply AAing jump-ins really shouldn’t require just frame timing.
I dont mind Ryu losing the air tatsu escape because its unfair on slow characters like Gief for example who spend the entire game chasing Ryu across the screen. I just wished they would get rid of Teleports from the game, these moves are pretty broken IMO. Teleports allow chars to get out of wakeup pressure easily against most of the cast. For example, I’m fighting against Sim and I’ve managed to work my way in past his flexible limbs, at this point I dont want him to simply Teleport and reset the situation! If I (playing as Ryu) get annoyed at Sim/Akuma/Seth being able to Teleport and resetting a situation then imagine other chars who dont have OS tatsu/Ultra to punish the teleports? Removing the Teleports is something I can never see happening as Akuma/Sim have had these moves for ages.
If this is the only change to Ryu then I’m happy as I hardly use the tatsu escape, but I suspect that seeing that its Ryu were talking about, there is probably another change probably in frame advantage which is gonna hurt Ryu even more.
ryu is fine right now, he was too good in vanilla. if you are honest ryu is still one of the best characters because he’s so solid. many people here are just biased because its their main, or are upset because there are no more free wins for him in super. he is not my main but I play him myself regularely and play against him about 80% of my matches, he doesnt need buffs.
and removing air tatsu escape is ok imo, why should ryu get out of corners for free although he is better at zoning and dealing with corner pressure than most other characters anyway?
Yeah, he is fine right now. As in, fine in SSFIV, not necessarily Arcade Edition. If you’re honest, you’ll agree that he didn’t need any nerfs just as well as he didn’t need any buffs. He’s only “top tier” anymore if your definition of top tier includes about the top third of the cast, as there are at least 11 other characters as good as him or better.
Considering Capcom is nerfing him again for the 1st loketest, hopefully by the time it’s all finalized he’ll be buffed too, as they don’t seem interested in the “leave him as he is” option, even though he was fine as he is.
Why should any character? Just as Akuma/Dhalsim has had teleports for ages, air Tatsu has also been used for covering a large amount of space quickly for just about every game it was possible. People are so quick to point out slow characters like Geif/Rog and call air Tatsu covering ground an unfair advantage, but even with it both of these matchups aren’t solidly in Ryu’s favor. Air Tatsu isn’t free to use anyway, as a player playing smart (read: a good player) can punish it with just about any character in the game. It just takes one read. Just like a teleport, except Ryu’s not invincible at any point using the move.
Granted, it’s not a gamebreaking nerf, but it is pretty significant, considering the characters that excel in corner pressure and can’t easily punish air Tatsu are even with Ryu even when he has that tool. In fact Balrog already has advantage in that matchup. No air Tatsu escape makes it an even better one for him.
All in all, I’ll just deal with it (as any decent Ryu main will) since it’s not too bad a nerf. I’m just tired of hearing the bullshit “why should Ryu be able to do ___, when most other characters can’t do all the things he does” argument. That’s weak as hell. By that logic, why should anyone be able to do anything if certain other characters can’t do it? Why shouldn’t he be able to do what he does, when he clearly is no longer even near the best character in the game anymore, and almost no character has a problem dealing with him?
Which tatsu do they nerf? there are 2 different tatsus to escape from the corner
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First one is almost instant with huge arc, used when your opponent is close to you when you are cornered (only used on critical situations, when you already ate a knockdown on the corner), second one is the regular air tatsu that almost everyone does, when you see you are getting pushed to the corner and want to escape as soon as possible before your opponent reaches you.
If they nerfed the TKCS motion, makes sense if is the first motion, not a huge nerf tbh.
If they nerfed the second one, they also nerfed a good tool on fireball wars. Huge nerf.
Sounds like both of them got nerfed, since they said that the forward momentum gets axed if you do the tatsu before reaching the top of your jump arc.
They nerfed the 1st one. The one that arcs upwards is no longer possible, you just hover (like ex air tatsu). The one that arcs down e.g. cross up tatsu still remains.
I agree with what your saying. I didnt consider how tough the gief/boxer matches already are for Ryu with air-tatsu escape. With this tatsu nerf and the buffs Gief is said to have received in the Loc test, this matchup is gonna be really tough. Sagat is getting buffed, Boxer/Sim will prob stay the same which means just by standing still they have become even better in the Ryu matchup.
Yes, because they are different *moves * not motions… right? lol. its the same thing, the effect applies prior to reaching the apex of your jump.
and yah, if Ryu doesnt get buffed as well, or if the other good characters dont get nerfed, this is gonna be hella retarded. Boxer / Ryu is already in Boxers favour, so he gets even more advantage. The Gat change is BS… suddenly hes not overpowered so he gets buffed. N Akuma?! Bet his teleport doesnt get changed and he is already above Ryu, same with abel … yada yada… Why the hell are Capcom fixing what isnt broken? Seriously, take Daigo out of the equation (cause he could win with anyone anyway) and Ryu would be like 15th or some shit.
Im not mad about this in the least, its just stupid, Ryu will be going way down … and guess what?!.. peeps will STILL play him cause hes the fave, so Capcoms little stint to have peeps stop bitching about him is not gonna work… theyll still moan about the amount of ryu’s they play.
If Ryu is gonna be shite can we at least get Super Taunt… please?
well, i actually agree with taking out the escape tatsu. why? because how many ryu players do you see fireball, jump back, fireball, jump back - repeat. until they are cornered where they then pray for an air tatsu escape so they can do it again.
i personally hate all the easy corner escapes.
i will say to all the people that think ryu is one of the best:
what if daigo didnt play ryu in ssf4? and only stuck with guile?
where would ryu be in a tier list?
i should make a thread for this…
Its a good point I never tought of getting Daigo out of the equation. If you do it seem no Ryu is winning any tournament…
and Ryu look average.
So?
He should be nerfed because scrubs can play lame with him? That’s retarded. By that logic, maybe they should increase Guile’s Sonic Boom charge time to twice what it was in Vanilla, or nerf his Air throw and his cr.HP. You know, to stop all the lame jump back, Sonic Boom, jump back, Sonic Boom, cr.HP/instant air throw.
While they’re at it, by that logic,they should increase the recovery on Sagat’s Tiger Shot, and make Akuma and Sim’s teleports land in front of you with enough recovery to punish with almost anything. To stop the fireball, jump back, air fireball/limb, teleport spamming.
Sounds dumb? Yeah, that’s pretty much what you said. I’m sure Capcom has their reasons for nerfing the air Tatsu, but It’s probably not so you don’t have to deal with people laming you out. Since that’s going to happen anyway, even if it’s not by Ryu.
I’m just going to assume the worst and start practicing my corner game without kara-tatsu. I mean at the very worst you learn other ways to get out, right?
Not that I especially agree with this change.
Lol. Xanax… I am not talking about a ryu vs ryu match, I am talking about characters the need to corner ryu. How much does air tatsu escape suck for gief??
I think that is what capcom is going for, which is why they changed seth. They want more attacking. I guess that sounds dumb to you…just seems like almost all of the balance changes are promoting closer combat.
^ A decent Gief can stop the air tatsu escape. But meh… I dont care. I cant think of the last time I actually used air tatsu to escape in any situation. In fact I cant think of the last time I bothered to escape the corner… . Saying that seems weird. But I dunno, when Im cornered i still feel like I have options and can work my way back into the game. So yah, air tatsu being gone doesnt concern me, I am just worried that other such BS will not be taken out of the game though (seriously, Abel U2…?! Surely thats a million times worse than a sodding air tatsu escape!) basically I think that a lot of characters have some BS going on. I just hope that Capcom dont just get rid of Ryu’s BS, but the rest of cast too.
Anyone that thinks Ryu will ‘go well down’ for losing his air tatsu escape is a spaz.