SSF4 AE 2012 Changes Part 2

[Mr.X]

SAIKYO BLOG

I’ll update first post when the translations start rolling in.

So the Akuma changes have been translated and this is what they are as seen on the front page.
-Demon flip punch (palm) is no longer an overhead
-Forward throw has 2 more frames of recovery
-Teleport cancelled into U2 damage has been buffed to 421

Changelist for Cammy was posted. (No trolling this time I swear)

• HK Spiral Arrow returned to SSF4 version: 1st hit active for 7F, 2nd hit active for 12F, total of 19F active
  So, we’ll be back to SSF4 as seen here:
  http://www.teyah.com/ae/hkarrow.jpg

Gouken
-Denjin during start-up has 3 levels of projectile speed depending on the 360 motion u input during startup. Has up to double speed. Dmg level is now consistent regardless of meter u have. Last hit of all levels does 45 additional dmg (300 dmg on lvl 1, 540 on lvl 5)
-LP Palm hitbox extended forward
-MP Palm is now super LP Palm, HP Palm is now super MP Palm
-Kongo armour box slightly extended and does 200 stun
-cr.HP hitstun extended so cl.st.MP->cr.HP xx EX Palm always connects on the EX Palm part

Cross-posted from my post in the Rose forum:

Rose changes:

Soul Spark meter gain returned to 20->30
Soul Satellite’s startup frames from 7 to 5
Soul Piede changed to Vanilla properties

New changes:

Close standing MK +4 on hit, making it easier to combo into crouching jab, as well as making it possible to combo into cr.mp.
Fixed some bug with crouching mk counterhits.

wait theres more to the fei changes. kirbyism has a post @249 that he is updating as he goes

Fei Long

-Recovery frames for the second hit of Rekkas (weak, medium, and heavy… EX not affected) have been changed.

On block,
Weak = -8 frames
Medium = -10 frames
Heavy = -12 frames

Also, second-hit Rekkas have less pushback now, so it’s easier to punish on block.

Lastly, for weak and medium versions, the second hit does half as much chip damage.

-Flame Kick’s damage has been revised.

Weak: 120 -> 110
Medium: 140 -> 120
Heavy: 160 -> 150
EX: 200 -> 190

Also, if you FADC a Flame Kick (any version) after the first hit, on block it is now -1.

-Heavy version of Chicken Wing’s damage has been revised. It is now 35+35+30 for a total of 100.

Further, they’ve modified the hitboxes of all Chicken Wings in a way that they’re less likely to cross-up (TL note: but still possible).
Apparently previously you could perform “half a loop combo” (TL note: Fei players explain?) against certain characters by doing close standing MP -> EX Chicken Wing. That won’t be possible anymore.

-For both close standing and far standing LP, hitstun has been decreased by 1 frame. On hit it is now +5, so you can’t combo into certain moves now.

-Crouching MP’s damage has been reduced from 65 to 55.

-Fei does have one buff, however. Damage for his overhead (forward+MK) has been increased from 60 to 70.

Gen
-Removed weird counter hit dmg on his crane cr.HP startup
-His crane cr.HK has 5 active frames lolz
-Medium and roundhouse gekiros have 10 bonus super meter at the last hit startup
-Roundhouse gekiro last hit gives untechable knockdown
-EX Roll changed: 3 versions exist depending on the 2 buttons u press. All versions have projectile invinc until the end of active frames
-Roll, all versions’ 2nd last hit, has 4 more block/hitstuns. after FADC you are at +2f/+6f
-Mantis U2 startup reduced to 7f

[Eternal]

Almost misread that as “when the translations start trolling it”

(not even kidding. DAMN YOU INTERNET!)

[Panesthesia]

Gen

Fixed the scaling issue with counterhit crouching Light Punch (Crane Stance).
Increase the active frames of crouching Hard Kick by 5 (Crane Stance).
There is now 3 versions of EX Jyasen. Not sure of the translation but it seems you activate them with LP + MP, LP + HP, MP + HP. Spacing and damage vary o_O.
When the EX Jyasen is in the dive animation, Gen is completely invincible.
The final hit of MK Gekiro builds 10 extra meter over AE.
Last hit of all Gekiros now a hard knockdown (Dayyyyyymn).

Thats what I have for now, there is more… Will update when I’ve got the rest.

Edit: Seems Shintenketsu’s start up has been reduced to 7f and regular Jyasen recovers 4f faster.

[Ouroborus]

akuma getting nerfed made my night.:clapdos:

[ClxJames]

The death of the Demon. Go on and take a character that relies on timing and character specific setups and throw it all in the trash

There is maybe 1 or 2 people in the ENTIRE WORLD actually placing well in major tournaments with him as it stands. Tokido is the only person who put in the time and effort to maser the vortex enough to actually stand a chance against top competitors, and even then he never comes out on top because Akuma is only great on paper. Add the human factor and in my eyes he is far from the best character in the game.

[PKSkyler]

Akuma’s nerfs are so stupid…they should not have touched that character…

Gen’s buffs are so stupid…stupid GOOD. more meter for BnBs plus untech knockdown?? Hands and EX Hands with more frame advantage?? Damn, gonna be even tougher to play yeb now .___.

On the other hand, Dan buffs are pretty nice! Even more counter hit set ups, and even more combooos!

[PurpleLemonadeGGPO]

Brainless having pure hit vulnerability sounds more broken than how it was in Super.

[Warlike]

very conflicting info on Gen here. I thought it was HK gekiro that gave us extra meter if fully executed? MK gekiro is NEVER used so why would they do that…

Only the extra frames on crane c.hk are what I asked for, the rest is ok I guess. Well with some other characters (lolkuma) getting nerfed pretty bad that also works in Gens advantage.

[Densuo]

Fuerte:

Propeller Tortilla has regained invincibility.

Ex Quesadilla bomb causes wall bounce on counterhit.

Close Fierce Punch xx habanero dash xx calamari slide works on everyone now

[Mr.X]

very conflicting info on Gen here. I thought it was HK gekiro that gave us extra meter if fully executed? MK gekiro is NEVER used so why would they do that…

Only the extra frames on crane c.hk are what I asked for, the rest is ok I guess. Well with some other characters (lolkuma) getting nerfed pretty bad that also works in Gens advantage.

I’m just copying pasting whatever Street posted in the Gen Ae 2012 thread

[ClxJames]

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[THEFURY215]

Everything was reasonable from what was shown except for that Akuma nerf. Like ClxJames said, there is really Tokido and perhaps Eita(?) that really perform well. 3/4 demon flip options are now blockable crouch and he loses a valuable setup from forward throw =/. What really boggles my mind though is the fact that they increased SPD stun and EX GH damage to Gief and increasing Ken’s EX DP damage O__o . Leave those two characters as is, don’t buff characters that were already really good in AE in the first place…sigh

[tali]

Everything was reasonable from what was shown except for that Akuma nerf. Like ClxJames said, there is really Tokido and perhaps Eita(?) that really perform well. 3/4 demon flip options are now blockable crouch and he loses a valuable setup from forward throw =/. What really boggles my mind though is the fact that they increased SPD stun and EX GH damage to Gief and increasing Ken’s EX DP damage O__o . Leave those two characters as is, don’t buff characters that were already really good in AE in the first place…sigh

kens ex srk’s 10 damage buff changes nothing.

[divinemarkpizza]

Gouken
-Denjin during start-up has 3 levels of projectile speed depending on the 360 motion u input during startup. Has up to double speed. Dmg level is now consistent regardless of meter u have. Last hit of all levels does 45 additional dmg (300 dmg on lvl 1, 540 on lvl 5)

wut?

[THEFURY215]

kens ex srk’s 10 damage buff changes nothing.

Yeah your right now that i thought it over, it’s not so bad. Still waiting on them Oni, Evil Ryu buffs and Yun, Yang nerfs to be shown. If it’s the case then this could be the most balanced version of SSF4 :D. I’m really liking what’s going on so far other than those Akuma nerfs.

[refuse2lose]

The death of the Demon. Go on and take a character that relies on timing and character specific setups and throw it all in the trash

There is maybe 1 or 2 people in the ENTIRE WORLD actually placing well in major tournaments with him as it stands. Tokido is the only person who put in the time and effort to maser the vortex enough to actually stand a chance against top competitors, and even then he never comes out on top because Akuma is only great on paper. Add the human factor and in my eyes he is far from the best character in the game.

After the nerfs to half the cast in super are you suprised ?, most of the characters that were nerfed in super were mid-tier to begin with, Akuma has been high-tier since vanilla, i guess it’s his turn now. I don’t disagree with you by the way although Akuma is the worst match-up for all 3 of my mains lol, personally i think the change to palm will stay the throw recovery will be revised after loke tests or they’ll buff other aspects of his gameplay to make up for it, but then this is Capcom we’re talking about so who knows ?

[Spartan_Throne]

Gouken’s U2 changes are quite confusing with the wording used. Anybody really get exactly what they mean?

[tali]

Gouken’s U2 changes are quite confusing with the wording used. Anybody really get exactly what they mean?

if you spin the joystick in a 360 motion during the flash animation of the ultra starting up you can get the speed potentially up to double the speed of the max speed in AE. and charging it makes it stronger (up to 540 damage[most damaging ultra])

[double_F]

Dan’s taunts will build meter?? No height restriction on air EX Dan Kicks?? Sounds like UltraDavid paid someone off at capcom… or threatened a sexual assault claim?

As for Abel… despite the new awesomeness of U2, i think U1 will still be very appealing due to the return of “super” cr. HP.

Something about Akuma that just occurred to me… what if the 2 extra recovery frames on his throw are only on the whiff animation? They didn’t really specify

[Bryanv2]

Wow they nerfed Akuma but buffed all the easy mode bs characters. Great…Gonna have to work even harder now. Stupid CC. I mean, the palm overhead thing was a AE buff right? So I guess its just back to Super? But changing his throw…I wonder how that’ll affect his mixup options afterwards. Its already hard enough to win with him ._.

Well glad about Abel ;/ Seth didnt get hit hard so thats cool too. Confused about Gouken, but sounds cool