Still page and a half behind, on the Willy claim, please forgive posting as I go along.
DG being shot kinda sucks, it seems like Vigi was deadset on him even after the help he provided on Icege could be saved in 2 ways if things lined up correctly, even if it was unlikely should’ve been more of the safe route shots like
ALL THE GDAAM WALLFLOWERS
lined up with bandwagon votes and who was on Pimp first openly, vs who didn’t publicly vote or post at gdam all and slipped in there to look like they helped, at the bandwagon, save their votes until the last second, PM only counts voting, Mafia team. Combined with who voted Fuzz for a pattern. There’s gotta be 2-3 wallflowers in there doing exactly this, going unchecked.
Hey Vynce, AKUMA, kaz and everybody else besides GR (who wants to die if we’re paying attention) what are your opinions of letting <Willy> live since insert my post above
In one, I postulated that DG was mafia, but one of his teammates more than likely voted for him, and asked what you thought. You’ve had more experience being a bad guy than anyone here.
I also asked why you thought Augustus voted for you day 1.
Why isn’t he saying who he tried Night 2? With a last gasp incoming, it can confirm this.
He is helping by not wanting a Civ to claim? And be confirmed civ…
Did you turn off your brain, AC?
It would’ve been in the writeup, and we’d be really bad position since they will have this real UC investigated and known to them. Plus why are you asking him to claim.
You guys ranked him S tier in the last game (handing those out like candy, bringing your grade down where S doesn’t mean anything anymore, including yours you self grade!) yet he’s now under the radar and is plotting behind the scenes, even if he’s doing it alone.
<Pimpdots Revenge> might come when nobody is a confirmed civ,
really embarassed that they were shown a Willy, and not wanting to come forward so we have to get Law & Order SVU on them nonstop to get them to take the stand and testify.
But even if he’s using that to his advantage… to help the Mafia team, it has to be him and nobody else since why would a Civ claim <PW> and I haven’t thought who on the Mafia team might risk this and somehow evade the lynch. Granted, if they have a teammate who can smooth talk it out, they could aid in his defense too, if they decide to risk another player like that.
By this logic he is no longer a threat and not a priority, is my point. We basically have him beat already, there doesn’t seem to be a reason to use a lynch on him. To get him out of the way? Hes a confirmed civ at this point, maybe when the numbers get lower he can get got so that he doesn’t tip the scales into the mafia’s favor for a day.
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Its the easy lynch yeah, look at everyone packing it in and not even trying.
But leaving him alive requires our attention later down the road. Maybe what they want here? Even if they expect him to go down today by lynch? That will tie up a vigi shot in the night phase, leaving them in the clear from night kills.
Maybe there’s something heinous we don’t know in Vigi shooting Pimp and somehow they get the name of Sovi3t? <-- conspiratorial clearly, but there is nothing in the rules that doesn’t say this if people want to go that road again on something so crazy of course it will have been unconfirmed going into the game.
So who else to lynch instead of Godots? DG was everyone else’s prime 3rd target, coming back around again after the 1st vote, so maybe it was good he’s not here for people to push him - see. Tons of shit to do and see why people were pushing DG, both in the big one, against now confirmed Mafia Pimp Willy the player. Combined with why were they pushing him day 1 against Fuzz player not role, also civ - which might clear them a little bit - but not completely since why not have Mafia go for prodding to see if people will vote for either, then backoff and save their votes until the last second in case of a possible tie.
That’s the only time I would have liked this: “I’m going to wait until the last second, not count votes and break ties, but just cuz that’s how I play” bullshit that again, helps mafia. Since it could have made them sweat a tie no lynch of 2 civs.
DG was looking pretty suspect day 1. Out of myself, Exodus, Manx, and Saitsu… Saitsu had the shakiest reason for voting for him when I look back (plus he was the last one.)
As for Augustus, I’m assuming it was a ploy of some sort. I think I @ted him on that day, so that may have had something to do with it. What do you think?
Yeah, it wasn’t an S. Since you didn’t die with the rest of the names they needed, to guide the game to a quicker ending, but already killed Mafia.
But are you even treading above water this game to not look like a Mafia?
You have plenty of people in the jacuzzi/kiddie pool over there with you, maybe even more we don’t know alongside you, how they can be considered linked to you with the wallflower pattern, but will actually be your true teammates.
I believe I expressed my thoughts in a post, but I voted to lynch him because of his performance last game, and how us sleeping on him allowed him to take it to the end. Me voting Oz was just me trying to take out a potentially dangerous person, since I normally can’t get a good read on him.
There was literally no chance of voting him out that phase against Pimp Willy and people following Pimp Willy’s first to act against Alpha Commando (with a plan there to even clear Willy IIRC outlined by someone on the ball). I don’t remember if you did it very early - your explanation sounds like a day 1 attack on zoolander.
So if you wanted him gone, with nobody else even attempting to vote for him, why didn’t you advocate for his lynch vote? Yeah there’s good and bad reasons why you wouldn’t want to stick your neck out, so its no final nail in a coffin.