Fuck this logic, I argue the plan benefits civs more than mafia. Mafia should be scared of a plan that makes it harder to kill <Kaz>, I’d me more suspicious of people who are AGAINST the plan.
Not to bring this topic back up, but that’s my thoughts on it, we can talk more at night
I’m trying to be more active, it’s hard though. I don’t know how some of you guys manage to put the time in to do such long posts with just information on day 1. Regardless, RF you can go ahead and vote me, just like you’ve posed to others you won’t learn anything from putting me down. You on the other hand opens up quite a bit of info, considering all the people you like to target and the posts you’ve made. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to vote you though, just be careful with what you decide to do. Killing the quiet ones is always the go to plan early on, you never learn anything from killing them. My vote is probably going to WAH this phase, no hard feelings but you confuse the shit outta me. You’re posts are like speed bumps XD
I personally have never been a fan of role claiming at all outside of desperation. I feel if I was Mafia, I’d just sit back and let everyone role claim themselves to death. It means they know who to target but more importantly, who to ignore.
Hmm, nevermind. No forger. Only Investigate block, and not by a “sikwidit” but Icege Medic. So a Beta roleclaiming and needing an investigate check requires medic to not protect him. Major problem right there.
I was writing a whole bunch to beat the shit out of whatever Oerba is doing, on the Beta roleclaim mixups in terms of negatives, timing, and things to look out for and got to a part on Investigate checks finally.
I have objections because this “If A=B/B=C/A=C” thing isn’t really the most convincing thing. And like AC said you’re not exactly one to be going around and accusing others of scummy behavior.
While I can agree that less people = more info, we’re still not going to get any info by this sort of process and it’ll just make an easy win for maf. Not to mention our definitions of smart lynching are flimsy as hell at best. You’re acting hella armchair general right now and given what happened last game I am less than pleased with the implications.
DG - dark general response alluding to - someone else mentioned
the other roles are all wide open, when medic gets tied up on Beta
including anyone Mafia already knows from a successful check by <Fuzz>
Even if its unlikely, its possible, so what else is possible for Mafia?
What do they know
What can they do during this plan?
-because of what they already know.
It gives up SWBeta and up to 3 others for one Kaz.
What if those 3 others happen to be civilian team roles. Because SWBeta needed protection.
Day 1 claim, no
Day 2 claim, maybe
Day 3 claim, yeah, but still not needed.
Night 3 claim sounds like one of the best plans for timing.
DG noted as long as they are alive the same night 3, even if he is killed that same night SWBeta will get the name of Kaz. When he gets the name is important now with a last gasp block possible though.
Expecting to evade death night 1 unless really unlucky, he doesn’t have to claim by taking the calculated risk to avoid a day 1 random lynch. SWBeta can throw in the monkey wrench and make the thread go nuts Day 2 and Night 2. Claiming at night is risky as it can be after Medic made their choice but before Night Kills are sent in. Better be done at the start of the phase, or right before day ends, where hopefully a majority of votes are already sent in and won’t end up on him by a late Mafia push or anyone else choosing to vote for him at the last second.
And after Beta gets the name, only his death is the true confirm. Mafia might go risky and claim they have a Mafia name of {Kaz} first. Putting all the suspicion on the 2nd player to claim Beta. Beta can’t prove himself in the way a protected role like Investigator can when protected.
It still takes another day or night to get {Kaz}. In case of a mistake or two mistakes, do we sit on the result for {kaz}, or lynch Beta to get a true confirm and, if it all goes well, the correct target for Vigi at night?
Kill one, lynch the other? There might be possibilities where there are too many targets for Lynch and Vigi so nothing is guaranteed and Investigator is needed.
What if they don’t have Bious, but instead, the last gasp block?
What if they have the name of a Role due to Radical Fuzz pre game choice and want Medic to cover Beta, while they kill the role they know who’s now wide open?
What if we’re put in a position to investigate Beta? Then Beta role claiming early also ties up the Detective, but prevents Mafia from trying to role claim him + use their Forger. One less threat at least. New threat. {Vynce} can roleclaim {SWBeta} due to his passive ability of showing up clean to Black Jesus.
RF looks dirty as well on the slip up alone, but like I said it’s you bringing up the plan (which I admit was an interesting idea) and PW’s fast support of it despite all the obvious holes I pointed out that smacks of mafia manipulation. Although PW is looking dirtier than you at the moment so I’d vote for him before voting for you.
If you wanted to lynch a wallflower you wouldn’t have been on my radar as much as you are now.
I just realized in addition to the bad logic PW out forth so far, he also said he wants to hold off on lynching the big names! LOL how could I have missed that oh PW you’re very tricky, what a subtle self preservation tactic.
Pie contradicted himself twice already, so he’s just as fish as you and PW, usually day1’sare a crap shoot, but I feel I got a lot of good intel already.
You have very few hours here left to talk before the first vote, & probably should talk out who you will vote for. And almost 30 hours have passed already with only 1 post to your name and maybe just that 1 if I didn’t call on you.
Talk about the plans others put forth at least, from your own perspective. That’s only required to be considered well and good to be a good player and teammate, right?
This post solidifies my vote for you. Lucky for you it seems no one else is going to vote for you at the moment.
Everyone I apologize for the longass post on page 5, I won’t make them anymore, but I put in a lot of effort into that one and I really feel it’s worth reading it’s not fluff so please take the time to read it before you vote thanks.
@orochizoolander: What do you think of GR questioning AC’s “not MP” statements?/quote]
Is this what you’re talking about? If so it doesn’t look like much, just a swing and a miss at this point (though something to refer back on as the game progresses), but again I think you’re trying to deflect suspicion from yourself at this point.
I would like to think I came to my own conclusions about it but those are silly if I have to write them out. 1 post total, led that way by pie, so some peer pressure there doing what he wanted without even knowing it, and I came up with some dumb puns because it was a certain time of the day.
zoolander, you play the Mafia game and Browse SRK from a phone? You just quoted 5+ paragraphs and 2 line response’d them without pointing out why/what in Pimp Willy’s post makes you vote for him, and did a bunch of line breaks in there, way beyond my extra one or two!