SRK Mafia XI: Vampires Vs Werewolves - Game Over: Town Wins!

[orochizoolander]

A roleless claim hurts nothing, day one.

Prove it wrong.

Seriously… it is the opposite of a roleclaim, particularly in a loaded game.

I already did, but happy to oblige:

I don’t see bite as powerful until mid-game. All the lover roles can’t be bitten while their partner is alive and Helsing can be a mole.

If a player role claims as role-less and is telling the truth, then they are helping mafia by painting a huge bite target on their own back while also helping mafia figure out who’s a lover and who isn’t. So it stands to reason that anyone saying they have no role in this game will look suspicious.

The Chief you say mafia are pulling strings this phase and will vote after you review your “intel”…okay so how does being so cryptic help the civilians? Let’s say you are a civilian and find some incriminating evidence of a player being mafia…how would it help to keep that into to yourself and be the only person voting for that person? Wouldn’t it be more beneficial to share your info and sway others to vote for your guy so they have a chance of being lynched?

[orochizoolander]

Also I’m getting a good vibe of 3rdstrike being a well intentioned, but still green civilian. the rest of you are shady as fuck.

[Missing_Person]

Okay, I understood you plenty before. Either way you’re still an idiot, which you’ve shown plenty of times.

And ALSO again, I’ve said it before, I had and have little suspicion on you.

If that’s idiotic then people like The Faygo is a vegetable. :lol:

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

There’s a difference between hiding information and formulating a plan that requires naïveté.

For example, I didn’t reveal the ‘condition’, otherwise I would directly give The Co-Jones a chance to respond, corrupting the results. By not naming him, I also get information on others that may believe my statement is targeted at them.
Withholding opinion because it ‘might be wrong’ and ‘make you a target’ isn’t gaining you information. It just makes it look like self-preservation is more important than trying to get a team victory to you.

For the record, I’m fully aware of how naming someone specifically can incite a response, which is why I wasn’t trying to say anything earlier. I’m mainly trying to pay attentions to people’s actions and take note right now. I still have ten hours to decide who’s who

[Saitsu]

Okay, I understood you plenty before. Either way you’re still an idiot, which you’ve shown plenty of times.

And ALSO again, I’ve said it before, I had and have little suspicion on you.

If that’s idiotic then people like The Faygo is a vegetable. :lol:

Considering it took him hours to realize who Sunny was in MGS4, I would not be opposed to that interpretation.

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

Also I’m getting a good vibe of 3rdstrike being a well intentioned, but still green civilian. the rest of you are shady as fuck.

I’ve got him fooled

[Saitsu]

Alright, who took OZ’s drugs? He’s posting way too coherently.

[AlphaCommando]

Also I’m getting a good vibe of 3rdstrike being a well intentioned, but still green civilian. the rest of you are shady as fuck.

I’ve got him fooled

Care to elaborate?

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

Also I’m getting a good vibe of 3rdstrike being a well intentioned, but still green civilian. the rest of you are shady as fuck.

I’ve got him fooled

Care to elaborate?

Really, I thought it was a pretty obvious troll

[DarkGeneral]

I see your point.
On an unrelated note, @DarkGeneral I think was the first to suggest that the mayor should put everybody in the town hall but himself, I’m not sure if that was some type of yomi or just a blatant attempt at a) figuring out who the mayor is early, or b) trying to set up a smokescreen for later on in the game

• You’re correct about me bringing up the possibility of the Mayor stepping forward and putting everyone in the town hall but himself. I also asked about the adverse effects this would have to us if the Mayor came out and did that on day 1. @pietastic provided some very useful insight about the mayor possibly acting like a second jailor or a traditional medic role. Which is an ingenius use of that ability that I never thought about. Responses like that is one of the reasons I ask for feedback from the players. It can lead to gaining helpful information for the civ cause.

Which brings me to my question

@Pimp Dubya

Could you explain how the Monsters “Celerity” ability works. It says that they gain an extra major action. Is this ability one time use? My current understanding of the ability is that it lets the Monster leaders be able to promote both of their teammates on night one.

[AlphaCommando]

Also I’m getting a good vibe of 3rdstrike being a well intentioned, but still green civilian. the rest of you are shady as fuck.

I’ve got him fooled

Care to elaborate?

Really, I thought it was a pretty obvious troll

We don’t make jokes around this town, boi.

[AlphaCommando]

Seriously, shit like that will get you killed under the pretense that it was meant to be posted in your Mafia PM thread.

[The_Chief]

A roleless claim hurts nothing, day one.

Prove it wrong.

Seriously… it is the opposite of a roleclaim, particularly in a loaded game.

I already did, but happy to oblige:

I don’t see bite as powerful until mid-game. All the lover roles can’t be bitten while their partner is alive and Helsing can be a mole.

If a player role claims as role-less and is telling the truth, then they are helping mafia by painting a huge bite target on their own back while also helping mafia figure out who’s a lover and who isn’t. So it stands to reason that anyone saying they have no role in this game will look suspicious.
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The Chief you say mafia are pulling strings this phase and will vote after you review your “intel”…okay so how does being so cryptic help the civilians? Let’s say you are a civilian and find some incriminating evidence of a player being mafia…how would it help to keep that into to yourself and be the only person voting for that person? Wouldn’t it be more beneficial to share your info and sway others to vote for your guy so they have a chance of being lynched? **

I absolutely agree with you here. The problem is I don’t have the backing of The People in order to efficiently sway any votes. No one does yet. The info I have is the same as everyone’s and frankly it doesn’t feel safe to blab to mafia who we are gunning for.

What I can share with you now is that I agree with a couple of the active players reads thus far and my vote will more than likely mirror theirs in an attempt to get a highly suspected individual lynched. I would not vote for my main suspect alone because that would be pointless (unless points was my goal, and it isn’t).

My favorite aspect of what’s going on right now is that mafia factions are voting for each other just the same as civs are voting for civs. That dynamic makes it difficult to tell who is defending for who when all parties involved are dirty.

Well played Pimp.

[Synonym]

@Pimp Dubya
Could you explain how the Monsters “Celerity” ability works. It says that they gain an extra major action. Is this ability one time use? My current understanding of the ability is that it lets the Monster leaders be able to promote both of their teammates on night one.

As far as I can tell, from clarifications made to my initial suggestions, tonight the only action Dracula and Lucian have access to is ‘Promote’. They need to ‘promote’ one of their initiates to a role like bite, assassinate or celerity. Then that initiate uses that power the next night phase. The idea being, by late game the mafia can have a maximum of 7 players each, each of whom has a unique action they can use.

C-Groove Sakura Level 2 Cancels

Werewolf And Vampire night actions
Vampires and Werewolves initiates start off with no powers, but may gain some as the game progresses. Dracula and Lucian grant the Promote ability at the start.

Spoiler

These factions get multiple actions per night: 1 Major, and unlimited Minor. These abilities are only allowed if they have the corresponding role. If that role dies then the faction loses access to that ability.

Major Actions:
Bite, Assassinate, Promote

Minor Actions:
Stalk, Bodyguard, Shapeshift, Dominate, Sacrifice, Eviscerate

Vampire/Werewolf Roles (available to either faction):
Promote
Granted by the faction leader. May take an initiate or a Convert, and give them any role available to their faction from these lists.

Assassin
Grants access to the **Assassinate **Skill. **Assassinate **may be used during the night phase to target one person; that person is killed. If Assassinate is used on the same target by multiple sources, that target instead escapes while the assassins are distracted fighting each other.

Converter
Grants access to the Bite Skill. Bite may be used during the night phase to target one person; that person is then considered an initiate of that faction. A faction may only have a maximum of 7 roles (including the leader). Bite only works on Town members. If a Vampire/Werewolf is targeted, the bite will fail, and the biters identity will be revealed to the target. Once converted, a new PM will be started between the person bit, and whoever is assigned as their master. If the master is killed, the converted person may be assigned a new master right away, or left masterless (meaning no PM ability). A convert can be brought into the main PM too if desired, but it is not required. If a person is targeted with Bite by 2 people on the same night, then the target will get away while the 2 Converters are distracted fighting each other.

Celerity
Passive role. Grants access to an extra Major action in a night for the faction.

Werewolf Only Roles:

Bodyguard
Grants access to the **Bodyguard **Skill. Bodyguard may be used during the night phase to target one person; if that person is targeted by an Assassinate they will be protected. If they are targeted by Stalk, they will be revealed as inconclusive.

Dominator
Grants access to the **Dominate **Skill. **Dominate **may be used during the night phase to target one person; that person is prevented from using any of their special abilities until the end of the next night phase.

Vampire Only Roles:

Stalker
Grants access to the **Stalk **Skill. **Stalk **may be used during the night phase to target one person; if that person uses any special abilities, their role and target will be revealed to the Stalker. If no abilities are used, the results return inconclusive.

Shapeshifter
Grants access to the **Shapeshift **Skill. **Shapeshift **may be used during the night phase to target one person; that person is secretly hidden and the Shapeshifter takes on that persons persona at the end of the night, and lasts until the end of the next night. If the Shapeshifter is inside of Town Hall, this grants the ability to target somebody inside of the Town Hall. The shapeshifter becomes the target and takes all consequences of actions targeting him/her, and any investigations will be returned as if the target was a vampire. They also get to manipulate that persons vote for the day.

[Augustus]

Also I’m getting a good vibe of 3rdstrike being a well intentioned, but still green civilian. the rest of you are shady as fuck.

I’ve got him fooled

Care to elaborate?

Really, I thought it was a pretty obvious troll

They’re a mean bunch that will try to kill you for having a bit of innocent fun. Especially Azure.

[The_Chief]

5:30pm in Australia. You guys show up in packs. lol

[orochizoolander]

Sending in my vote for pietastic within the hour…

[AlphaCommando]

5:30pm in Australia. You guys show up in packs. lol

Are you implying what I think you’re implying?

[3rdSTRikeLOVE]

Seriously, shit like that will get you killed under the pretense that it was meant to be posted in your Mafia PM thread.

Is there any way that you can check the activity of an account as far as PM’s and what threads they’ve visited…I noticed earlier, people were discussing alt accounts and the like.

On another note, I think there are like at least three layers of yomi that were set up way early in the game…I’m still trying to dissect the shit. I hope I’m not wasting my time.

[The_Chief]

5:30pm in Australia. You guys show up in packs. lol

Are you implying what I think you’re implying?

I’d never pull something like that off in the presence of someone as astute as yourself Alpha. lol