In all that research you left out Chief threw me under the bus too? Pietastic did before he was lynched. Chief used it in two ways. To get me shot instead of him, or being desperate and going for a player with a good chance people will lynch, to gain him some credibility. Going after someone people won’t lynch probably wouldn’t work and required a bigger commitment to falsified info, lazy Mafia. Or they were mixed up by Fuzz somewhere in those phases too.
I already talked about the Vigi shot vs Mafia Chief and why would he want me targeted instead of him. But fine, we can talk about it some more. Why would they do that unless I was swimmer? Why did they want me lynched first, instead of Vigi kill shot if I was swimmer?
Why would they let me proclaim programmer so willingly when it lined up with Mafia Programmer needs to be found and killed?
You need 3 reasons now. Not just one. And good reasons too.
-> Why you are playing like Chief and Pietastic and never questioned or talked about them before they were guilty
-> Why you are only looking at what Guilty Chief said only to get one player out they wanted out too, continuing their ideas
-> Why you are not using what Chief said to talk about the current lynch candidates and Detective role claims, using Chief the Otaku who followed Civ Detective every night
All of that is not answered by
infrequent lurker is leon kuwata: all-star
You’re going to tell me - my asking DarkGeneral about Chief was to help him? I needed help to write my last gasp all about Chief if I was shot instead of him, that was definitely going in there too because it did line up to Chief’s playstyle, DG was exactly right about him. You going to tell me I’m Mafia even after going at Pietastic for a lynch as early as I did and didn’t letoff even when he so easily brushed aside my research on him?
I wanted both of them out. They wanted me out. You didn’t want either of them out. You want me out.
Then you need to be like me with the completely crazy conspiracy theory how this will all line up exactly how you said it happened. Where’s that part?
I will now handle the biggest conspiracy theory part. Because its too fun to pass up.
I cheated on the Mafia game to go tell one of my detractors he’s a stupid gay nigga always postin utubs. The truth is stranger than fiction, oh I do agree. But I’ve been editing a bunch lately outside the game actually and its quite liberating. This post was kinda written 2 inches from my computer screen after my glasses broke that day. I was very dedicated to stopping this dumb youtube guy from calling me a girl and posting a very “Predictabo” youtube again, for no reasons, ever. In fact the shit he talks about but nobody else does, “4 jackie chans” might be a better forum for him, why? youtubes don’t embed there from what I’ve seen. They can stop his youtube spam.
and this guy found she hulk x SF3 alex hentai.
He’s AlphaCommando without the Mafia game part. :razz:
I’d like to address this more in depth with quotes and stuff but I’m trying to watch “Shadowloo Showdown” so I’ll just address the thing that sticks out the most to me:
So you’ve gone from soft-claiming programmer to all-star to swimmer? I know I can’t be the only one who finds this suspicious.
“Please don’t be Mafia, I won’t be able to handle knowing that I’ve had such a brain-dead teammate”
You’re saying that you don’t want Synonym to be Mafia because you don’t want a stupid teammate and you’re voting for him to get the point, not necessarily because you think he’s Mafia. Which makes it sound as if you’re Mafia.
I don’t want Synonym to be Mafia. I’d feel so much better if oz was the actual Gambler and has been playing us the entire time rather than being a legitimate moron. But with that Bious info brought up again, Synonym most likely is dirty and I’m going to vote his way to get my point instead of missing it because I’m hoping it’s not true.
And who cares if I sound like Mafia at this point? I can say that I’m Mafia a thousand times and it wouldn’t matter because common sense says I’m not. Or do I really have to explain it one more time because you guys still haven’t quite understood?
Oh, you were talking about OZ. Bad news, he’s always this way. And you’re logically not Mafia of course, but to uphold my Jesus Toast Jedi Master title I have to misinterpret at least 3 statements per game.
The funny part is, since the Otaku was mafia, they actually had all the real investigation results on top of Bious’s list. Yet he still forgot to factor that part in. XD
Lynch Synonym
I think he could’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for IL. Good job, man. This pretty much confirms you as civ. You could still be mafia, but the chances of that are very slim. Why would you throw your partner in crime under the bus when he’s so close to finishing off his last ploy? If you were mafia, you likely would have waited to show this discovery until AFTER Mobius was lynched. If you are mafia and you get away with this… then you, sir, are capable of respectable levels of yomi.
It also goes without showing OZ (by disproved counter-claim) and by effect, Mobius (by investigation result of the real UC), are both confirmed civs. Not matter how much it pains me to say it, OZ is actually on our side. :c
So, as of now, the list of unconfirmed civilians is:
WAH
Augustus
Myself
The programmer (WAH) could definitely be mafia. The most apparent use of the end phase skill would be to prevent the civ roles from doing anything. I wouldn’t put it past the mafia to submit the kill on the dot of the deadline to make it seem as though they were afraid of the programmer’s ability, when in reality they knew that it would never affect them at all because they controlled it. And submitting the action a little later than the deadline doesn’t prove anything. Why try to use it then? A mafia programmer would have to play the same risky sort of game of chicken that a civ programmer would have. Except, for a mafia programmer, their objective would be to see how long they could withhold the ability to feign giving the civ abilities a chance to activate, yet submitting it before the harmful ones really could activate. Such seems a likely case here.
Augustus is much less suspicious. No one has counter-claimed Gundam, who has been proven to be a civ. If there is a real Gundam out there that for some reason hasn’t role-claimed, I think now’s pretty much your last chance to do so. It’s actually even past your last chance. There’s no reason to hide being a civ since about 7ish pages ago.
As for myself, well… . I’m just a guilty looking civ that got screwed over early game. I am completely willing to defend any claims against me.
I’ve just come off 18 hours in ER and I’m absolutely spent. Since it looks like my tickets about to get punched I’m not really going to bother trying to defend myself, but here’s an explanation.
Bious, by saying that there was no investigation immediately would have made the mafia look at wallflowers as the UC. By doing so, he’s taken the heat off of me. That is what I would have argued if I cared anywhere near enough. But since I don’t, I’m guilty. It was a gamble that I was well aware of when I posted it but I thought it would work.
To be honest, I’ve been sick of this game so at least dying now will end it. Pietastic wasn’t lying when he said that pretty much every night GR was patching something in the mafia PM. We got screwed over a hell of a lot this game and I’m kind of over it now.
This is going to be a hollow victory for the civilians and really, anyone who tries claiming the contrary is full of themselves. All of you, barring Bious, Augustus, Hecatom and PW have been completely useless. Here’s my reasoning (instead of just being a sore loser). I busted my ass this game, and put in a hell of a lot of work when I really haven’t had the time to. And the same is pretty true for all our mafia. All of us have been high contributors and active players; the way this game should work. Instead, what got Chief, Pie and myself killed was civilians who were afraid of reputations. Not evidence, but purely that we were “threats”. That’s absolute crap. Being active and good at this game shouldn’t be a death sentence. In fact, it should be the opposite. I strongly, strongly wish that there was some sort of ban placed on people who play this game badly. Getting named as a suspect since day 1 because I did well in previous games is totally unfair and if it gets me killed in future games I might just retire.
I’d like to think that I played a pretty good game but that’s not how the civs are going to sell it. Your real UC, OZ, is a disgrace. Seriously, none of us in the Mafia PM could believe that he missed so many investigations and that he was so utterly behind in the game thread. That kind of play is sloppy, disrespectful to people who put in effort and is going to continue. Seriously, you guys reward that kind of behaviour by not lynching people like OZ purely because they’re bad. It has made me seriously question why I even bother to write coherent posts or to keep up-to-date with the thread. In future games I might as well post “LOL, CBF’ed reading all that shit. Random name is guilty. Oh they’re already dead? That’s a shame.” and I’d probably live longer.
Look at your remaining players:
-Augustus (not a wallflower but not a super high contributor or a particularly good one)
-IL (Hasn’t done anything of note all game until he picked up on my contradiction)
-WAH (Power posting is detrimental when people openly admit they’re not reading what you’re saying)
-OZ (I’ve had my gripe. You’ve contributed nothing to this civilian success and deserve negative points for every investigation you missed).
-Mobius (Once again, you didn’t do much to get me killed. You panicked when, if you’d kept your cool you might have convinced others to kill me earlier)
-ForgeDigger (Have you actually been playing? I hadn’t noticed).
-Cyntalan (I was going to kill you just out of spite for the civilians but we needed the numbers game more. Sorry buddy).
When you consider some of the people you’ve killed instead of these guys I just shake my head. Wallflowers should get banned from games. They take the fun out of the experience and make you question why you even bother playing in the first place.
Another thing we got screwed over with was the triple-kill ability. We were told we could keep it after AC’s death, which would have prevented the broken tech of this game: people role claiming. Then you little girls started complaining that it wasn’t fair. You know what isn’t fair? Having all your strategies torn down because the civs don’t want to lose. The same happened with Azure’s paparazzi ability. We were told it didn’t work on mafia, end of story. It wasn’t until GR gave Azure the reading on Pie that he shouldn’t have that we got screwed over again.
Back on the thought I had earlier, here’s some positives:
Bious: Popping your ability night one was perfect and you played an amazing game from that point. You were easily a stand out civilian and you deserve a lot of credit for this victory.
Augustus: Using your ability night 1 was a coincidence but it gave the civs an extra 48 hours of Bious’s guidance so you did more for the cause then most of the other players.
Hecatom: You really used your role to its full effect and you were a priority kill target for us since Day 1.
PW: I don’t like that you exploited a whole bunch of broken tech this game but you played well and deserve your first victory. But seriously, the whole medic/bodyguard cycle was and still is bullshit.
In case there was any doubt, here’s my role card.
PS: Mafia played an amazing game against incredible odds. You’ll see when the PM gets opened up but here are my personal highlights:
Spoiler
*Called OZ as the UC from Day 2.
*Called both Doof and SAD as their roles and killed them in the order that we did to make use of the confusion around AC’s hiring.
*Made it this far into the game with such a ridiculous handicap and all of the civs trying to kill me for past performance.
Seriously, do you seriously think the read I had on pie was he was too big a threat? Shoot from the pattern of the game, I could tell there was a strong player running things, that it wasn’t Alpha so much. I saw a contradiction from pietastic and followed it and look what I found.
Azure found something in Chief that he didn’t like beyond “threat” status, and I even later alluded to him that it was between him, pie, and Forge for the vigilante kill the night Chief got got.
I took umbrage to people sitting on their ass all game and letting one or two people do all the heavy lifting. You’ve been saying my name since day 1 as a potential lynch choice purely based on past-game behaviour. I don’t doubt that there was a read on Pie that lead to his lynch but the catalyst was that GR screwed us with the paparazzi ability. Same with Chief getting eliminated because Azure really had a beef with him. There wasn’t anything in his posts that gave him away as mafia, Azure just didn’t like how quiet he was.
Seriously, there is so much emphasis put on past-game behaviour that people ignore the current game.
I said something about you night 2 or night 1, IIRC, but you managed to escape slightly from my suspicion by reacting properly and very civ-like. It wasn’t until recently that you popped back up on my list.
Irregardless, your main reason for listing me was past-game performance. It was also the same reason that OZ wasn’t condemned for his useless behaviour. It was constantly getting posted in the thread that he is always like that, we don’t need to look into his actions at all. That’s crap.
Whatever, I’ve said my feelings and I just want this game to end. Once you see the PM you’ll see a bunch of decisions that saw us getting screwed over that the civs never even knew were happening.
And whether you like it or not, there should be a certain weight based on how you played a past game. Else NoodleHead and others wouldn’t have a notebook of players’ tendencies.
Look, real talk, I spent 4 years of my life playing poker. Online, multitabling, so all told, I’ve probably seen 100,000 hands at the minimum in the game. I don’t have my databases anymore to prove that, but I can tell I saw a ton of hands.
One thing I learned in 4 years is people have habits and tendencies. And ignoring them because it’s a new hand or a new tournament would be robbing yourself of potential profit from that information, which is pertinent.
Yes, players can play differently. Yes people can change it up. BUT, there can still be underlying tendencies that you can find if you’re vigilant enough. Why do you think I brag that I can read kaz by day 2 every time I play with him, and be right? I kept bringing up that kaz was mafia in the PW game and getting laughed at, and I was right.
Shit, SWBeta, whom everyone regards here as a good player, literally told me in the All Star game, to go in on him with past game history, to try to get him lynched and give me cover.
I knew it because I could spot his tendencies over three games (at the time). So yes, there is a weight to it. Don’t like it? Find your tendencies and work to correct them? Trying to say I, or another person, isn’t playing this game because they’re using past tendencies to spot things that don’t add up to them, is just crazy.
I don’t mean to belittle but it just isn’t right. Fair enough it helps you get a read but then what? If you know someone well enough to get a read on them, then that’s your prerogative. But if you post that suspicion in the thread, then it should be up to other players to come to their own conclusions. Not just jump onboard someones reads. That’s the lazy behaviour that I was talking about.
Seriously, there was very little in-thread evidence of mafia activity. No-one posted any lists (cough), posted information they shouldn’t know etc. It came down to: broken tech, a few unforeseen plays and a whole lot of people just blindly following one or two people.
Real talk: What did half of the people here in the final however many we are really contribute? People that are active are seen as threats and eliminated. Yet wallflowers just coast on by, not contributing anything but yet still making it further in the game then some really solid players.