SRK Mafia X -- Dangan Ronpa: Fire At Will -- END -- Civilians Win

Mobius · October 10, 2013, 11:58pm

This is a game of deception, which is why it’s beyond me of how easily the town believed Synonym was the detective and rushed to the decision of voting me off.

This is still possible, and I am keeping this in the back of my head.
But right now, Synonym is dirty dirty~, that’s a fact.

infrequent_lurker · October 11, 2013, 12:11am

Ughh. Forgot to add my card.

Leon Kuwada

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http://i.imgur.com/GlPqfaZ.png

This game is constantly being updated. It’s the MK9 of Mafia games.

Mobius · October 11, 2013, 12:20am

I have a plan,
If for some reason the town really did lock in their votes on me as soon as possible and there’s no way Synonym could be lynched,

I want the Gambler, if she’s a civilian, to use her ability on me.
Although, she will die because I’m a civ, it would expose Synonym’s dirty lie the quickest.
Of course, she’ll only use this ability if she truly thinks I’m a civ.
She won’t, because she knows I’m a civ.
She won’t, because she can’t since she’s a mafia.
She won’t, because she’s Synonym, that dirty dirty liar~

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With. Fucking. Pleasure.

This is something I like to call “Hax Facts:”

So about Akuma-Hax and Chief. There was this random comment that Akuma made that struck me as odd at first. I wish I had screen-grabbed it when I saw it so I didn’t have to waste time searching for it:

I shrugged it off but once Alpha’s role was confirmed I made a note to find if something else came up. Then I saw this

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[quote=“WTF-AKUMA-HAX, post:1688, topic:164690”]

I remember this major post from you

and only saying later you guys are wrong about this “Sacrifice” you keep saying is needed without being specific.

Touka role card even if academic
[possibly unnecessary as Touka Civ has been in a writeup, but still worth discussing]
to show the wording, no “sacrifice”

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http://i.imgur.com/nvMpMDd.png

Were you guys just dense and confused by Pimp’s variables with a “Sacrifice” that wasn’t explained after that idea was thrown around a lot and put in your head? It was just a possible kill switch. Like I said about when Touka the Mafia role dies. And still haven’t got final answers on how they get to choose who they die as, but that has become less important if we believe Touka the Civ died.

[my bad keep saying Touka, from it being very close and earlier on japanese names, like ohgami makes more sense than a maybe mistranslated oogami, Touko Fukawa]

I explained to Bious about the word Sacrifice as well. Feel free to find that post and finally read it.

Mafia Touka learning she died, might also learn the Vigi Kill was switched, or just already go into that night with her teammate having done that move while they await the result. So she has to make the most of her death, which will always be used I’m sure.

Mafia knew who Vigi was, they still do. From what transpired with Alpha. The role claim of Togami’s - “Police Documents” is taken away from them and that character is on our side With his learning a role every night “Friends in High places”, still hasn’t been 100% proven.

Vigi kill was not Bious - all academic again, but I thought it was worth looking back on this one word, even if Bious didn’t have a claim in the one I found on his Monit “O” r.

“her” - oh noes you’re looking at me, now, with just that.

I guess I really look suspicious with that.

Chief knows I may write quickly without editing. And I noticed he marked that post soon after I made it.

But I’ve been calling every role a girl as I noticed today with already shown to be a “shithead” - Missing Person. And girls can be particularly smart and become a valedictorian in real life. I can really gear up my exchanges with Alpha if you request that - I know saying it on my own looks like covering my ass - but Missing keeps pressing and that’s my one trump card against his

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That’s not unreasonable but combined with this

Important part 2

I guess Chief would be familiar with Hax posting quickly without editing…IN DEM MAFIA NOTES! I swear it’s like his subconscious is causing him to tell on himself because he feels guilty about deceiving us. Coincidentally Chief marked his quote as “Insightful.”

So Night 3 happened. Our remaining nurse couldn’t protect himself, Willy couldn’t protect anyone, the U.C. couldn’t investigate, and Azure couldn’t take his shot. Then he revealed his target

a very interesting series of events followed

First he’s making a case for the programmer being civ. Then he turns around and makes a case for her being mafia. The Chief shares his thoughts.

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The_Chief:

The thread has been helter skelter ever since the programmer ended that phase so abruptly.

My silence is my attempt to keep the thread on track and clear of bias. I’ve learned that being helpful doesn’t mean having the most posts. It means paying attention. Whenever my name has been called I have responded. Ive played this way since day 1. If you notice I didn’t even make a check in post.

If you look at the wallflowers, if you call their name they come in and have to “catch-up”. I set my sights on them since day 1 because since everyone has a role, the wallflowers can hurt us even more by sitting there with key roles or roles we assumed were used and we would never know. So I was all for clearing the playing field to help make our reads more precise.

However, the fact is, we’re being mislead with false information and guidance. I believe MP, PW and Azure are confirmed civs but I don’t blindly trust their advice or course of action.

For example: I’ll oblige with not lynching OZ as PW requested, but a conspiracy theory that’s being overlooked is what happens if you replace OZ with another player that’s been MIA such as Infrequent Lurker or ForgeDigger? Do the facts that apply to OZ work for them too?

PW talks in code alot but ever since the All Star game, I’ve never taken anything he’s posted at face value. Nothing against him personally. This is SRK and those kind of mind games are encouraged, however in these mafia games, they’re only beneficial to mafia.

Another example: The Programmers action; in my opinion it was an attempt to help us but without clear instruction or discussion it makes it difficult to execute something like that without collateral damage. Then again, if the programmer was mafia, why would they let AC get lynched? Why not end day phase immediately upon realization of their Val’s pending death?

The people are being misled. I’m aware that my post is coming out of nowhere but would people have been gung-ho to believe my logic and theories if I had been verbal in the thread since day 1? No. Because a general rule of thumb in this game is trust no one.

Now is the time to present our findings and make our cases. If we operate on the assumption that there are 4 mafia left, that means we have about 3 chances to be wrong.

Less if Azure kills wrong.

We can’t rely on guesses and hunches (or role claims) anymore.

I still believe that there’s at least 1-2 mafia hiding in the wallflower section of this game and 1-2 outspoken mafia. With all the speculation about roles the actual players activities are being ignored.

Azures plan is to have me lynched or killed so I’m going to say we have 2-3 wrong guesses remaining and 4 mafia to find.

The people I would like to here from are. Infrequent Lurker and ForgeDigger. They’re probably trying to catch up and will have a response later hopefully I’m alive to be able to utilize it.

Until then, just know that the only reason mafia hasn’t killed me is because they feared I was being protected by PW who was believed to be protected by the medic. Now with both medics gone, both of us are guaranteed dead.

When we come up dead I’d advise pressuring RadicalFuzz. He has been off this game and even though his insight is welcome it can’t be blindly trusted.

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The_Chief:

I’m re-reading this thread and I can’t put a finger on why select people are conspiring against me so I’m gong to go out on a limb and seek clarity.

Azure doesn’t know why he’s killing me.
OZ is confirmed Civ without any evidence.
The Programmer is Mafia because reasons.
TCJ is Mafia because reasons.

These are the “facts” that are available to the thread that are not being disputed.

The toast is strong with this thread.

4 Mafia left until proven otherwise.

My strategy is process of elimination while posing no threat to the mafia to ensure survival.

Find your culprits and once found use them (and manipulate them) to find who they are working with.

Read people. Not roles. Especially if the role you have has been used up.

Obviously, this is bad play. Obviously no one can figure it out.

Obviously no one will believe me.

I’ve played different in every game I’ve played. The goal is to be efficient. If I was Vigi, I would’ve won this a long time ago.

I’m not Vigi, so I opted to employ a strategy that would help clear the thread of noise and allow us to focus on the facts.

I didn’t push suspicion because that makes you a threat.
I didn’t want to lynch contributors because that would be worse for us down the road.

If these actions make me guilty, so be it.

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Original quote (I had to change this a bit)

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Akuma starts to see things Chief’s way

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WTF-AKUMA-HAX:

^ This civ is discussing Mafia targets in here. Good one bro. “greatest mafia play of all time” not “fuck those guys, Bad Mafia.”

I know what you mean with those words and that group, but do not care and would not use those words even in jest.

October 3, 2013 7:19 PM

10 3 2013 1919 PST
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GodotsRevenge:

WTF-AKUMA-HAX:

GIVING THEM MAFIAS CHEATHAX?!

http://images.wikia.com/danganronpa/images/8/88/5(226).png

I’m sorry! But the broken tech (HAX) with this game was that the civs could all roleclaim and automatically win. Balancing is hard.

Whoever this character is, they at least

Stopped a bad Vigi killer with a trigger finger. He will finally, maybe think over a better target.

Pimp Willy stays alive for one day + one night, more, at least.

Maybe stopped them from learning something else. Mafia investigation role tools.

And he’s helping me after all my role claiming with the
tags
and formatting, fitting the role of a computer geekface. Real programmer might still be that 3rd guy after missing and pimp who wanted the Post Count source code. Nobody gives a crap about finding the dumb programmer.(*) Those people instead very quickly having direct quotes to say Mafia found Doof’s role, here and here.

(*) I wrote that sometime around after the vote and phase change. It became important to look for a Mafia + Programmer, yet nobody looked for open roleclaims of the Programmer. Or me asking about the 3rd person who wanted the source code after Pimp/Missing. Good shit lazy dudes.

Now who wants to ask Godots about this - he would be right to just call it a joke.

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Hell he even soft-claims the position

He does so again here

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WTF-AKUMA-HAX:

Missing, can you tell Vigi to pass the salt & pepper. /That not speaking to people trope

& that killing someone you think I’m protecting is a much better idea to break down the house of cards easily. Mafia has one protection. Fuzz pegged me as role claiming swimmer. He said it doesn’t help now. That really helps Mafia team more than Civilians.

I will not be upset if people think this one all the way out too. Weigh every possibility. Put together the chances for and against it.

-Mafia pointing the finger as me being swimmer can get me lynched
–If Fuzz is not Mafia (as we see a plan he wants today and better chances against it-watchout on another easy bandwagon though)
-After anyone points the finger, Mafia will not step in and help stop the lynch of the supposed swimmer. They can easily blend into that vote. They have nothing to lose, while the Civs need to get Swimmer out for Vigi to have much better chances.

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No civ is going to put their life on the line like that, against the wishes of the team, helping mafia this much. Nagito doesn’t win by being lynched or vigilante shot. If its a Mafia swimmer, they aren’t going to lock votes early for their own good chance to win. Mafia will not put themselves out there to be killed, as their one protection role left that only dies to a lynch. Azure can lead the lynch against me or be another voter in there again. Fuzz better come up with more than that as a Mafia leading a vote charge on someone they say is the Swimmer, which could be why he tested the waters and quickly dropped it. Or if he’s civ, he knows better to help Mafia & do that for them.

The possibility of progammers plan going wrong. 50/50? From what everyone says, that hasn’t been considered at all, or just like a 2% chance. Programmer directly stopped the Vigi kill faucet and Mafia slipped in right on the dot. Night action players will know if an action can be planned out ahead of time and sent in early, the way some games are run, as the Death Note game needed against Fuzz’s broken plans. Or if that’s not possible.

progamers is fuckin retarded - using the typo of programmers here, not good enough for a sig yet
code has the funny joke though, 

how do programmers fix all errors or bugs, 
they don't, they only write more code

something like that pinned on a bulletin board in the college computer lab. old comic strips
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/img/2010/08/fix-bug.jpg
http://xkcd.com/303/

60 FPS locked. Fighting games. youtube dropping half the frames is so sad.

I just really hope my claims combined with Godot’s rule change didn’t get me figured out by Mafia so quickly. And they really benefited from that, except that Pimp still stays around longer as I planned. The move still bought more time for good players.

Important part 1

How many post does he have in this thread now? 200+

Important part 2

So Hax is the programmer…except he isn’t.

…your guess is as good as mine.

Then there’s this

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WTF-AKUMA-HAX:

So that was way more than needed of course. I reworded some of it a bit for quicker consumption here.

Here’s another big plan. do consider the good vs saying all the bad you want to say against it as a first response to even hearing it. There’s a lot to gain here, and going towards more trust and proof cannot be bad. This is not only for Azure to consider and tell me its a bad idea from his perspective, more than one opinion can chime in even if they aren’t the Vigi, since that leaves him to be a dangerous lone wolf we have zero control of to guide with good advice. While we don’t need a lot of control of that role like we own him, we can work on the same page so to speak:

What can we do?
Get Azure & Hecatom to talk more. As well as having Azure the Vigilante prove himself without a doubt by targeting at least someone we all want killed, not just his own group of targets.

Rather than business as usual (even with the protections) when he did not talk about a good target, go right into the night phase without helping the cause, and fully claim responsibility for that kill when needed without a second guess by anybody. Even Hecatom who knows about being a bad Vigilante and was told about all that again in this game how he was very bad in the game he was a Vigilante. So he should definitely want to get the Vigilante on the right track to win.

We don’t have much time left to even have a Vigilante do we? His shots are running out.

If he refuses to cooperate, Oogami should not protect him one night and see how that shakes out if a real Vigilante is waiting in the wings for his one chance.

Of course again, how are we going to find all the Mafia we’re really looking for with urgency by just throwing around near baseless suspicions that anybody can do, when we will almost always react to that being a civ with a role we think is important and know those accusations are way off and not true, and a lot of us can talk our way out of these so quickly. We’re running around in circles while the Mafia directs us through gates, a lot like infrequent saying I’m a Lemming running off a cliff. But nobody does that on their own. They are led that way.

And nobody wins this game on their own. Working together is our only choice and the best option. Mafia is already doing that. Why aren’t we working harder than them?

@GodotsRevenge

Bonus thought, even obvious: Gambler seems like a passive or at least hidden skill and a 1 shot? We never see that in a writeup, if it gets wasted?

Due to how strong it is for the Civs. finally something strong for civs “these days,” among all this Mafia role synergy, even if it needs to be exactly right.

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He asked for an important, confirmed civ. to NOT be protected. What.The. Fuck.

So yeah, that’s my case against Hax. Once we get this Synonim/Oz situation sorted out if there’s a mafia member left he’s our next best target. If he’s a civ. then he fucked us on Night 3. If he’s mafia I wouldn’t be shocked.

Cyntalan was confirmed a long time ago by Hecatom

As far as me I’ve already stepped into the light.

If I was mafia with this role then why didn’t I

Stop Hecatom from getting at least one name?

Killed Azure after he was exposed by negating Willy’s protection 2 phases ago?

Hell just kill Pimp once we had a read on the hall monitor?

Now Synonym…shrug One of you will be exposed as a fraud by the end of the day. Maybe sooner depending on when Azure’s last gasp is posted.

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I’m glad you’re making an effort to scum hunt instead of being in autopilot just because we have so much advantage in numbers at the moment.

You’re role-claiming Kuwata, right?
If you’re mafia, you would have role-blocked Pimp Willy ages ago to go and kill Azure.
Yet, that did not happen.
From what I interpret on the write-up, Pimp Willy protected Azure and died in his place.

Why did you say that the Gambler is lonely though?

Mobius · October 11, 2013, 12:22am

*if she truly thinks I’m a mafia.

Hecatom · October 11, 2013, 12:22am

If i am still alive by the next dayphase and i get another confirmed role or worse, a death person role i will RQ this game and will never play a godots mafia game again

Hecatom · October 11, 2013, 12:26am

The problem is that i believe that the Gambler is mafia, the simple fact that it didn’t use her ability yesterday makes it almost 100% possible.
If by a little chance is a civ i request for the player to be banned for being so goddamn useless.

Cyntalan · October 11, 2013, 12:27am

You’ll totally get Bious.

Cyntalan · October 11, 2013, 12:35am

It won’t even be random. Godot’s will give it to you purely to troll.

Mobius · October 11, 2013, 12:49am

Hecatom:

Mobius:

Mobius:

infrequent_lurker:

Will no one acknowledge the gambler? She’s so lonely…

I have a plan,
If for some reason the town really did lock in their votes on me as soon as possible and there’s no way Synonym could be lynched,

I want the Gambler, if she’s a civilian, to use her ability on me.
Although, she will die because I’m a civ, it would expose Synonym’s dirty lie the quickest.
Of course, she’ll only use this ability if she truly thinks I’m a civ.
She won’t, because she knows I’m a civ.
She won’t, because she can’t since she’s a mafia.
She won’t, because she’s Synonym, that dirty dirty liar~

*if she truly thinks I’m a mafia.

The problem is that i believe that the Gambler is mafia, the simple fact that it didn’t use her ability yesterday makes it almost 100% possible.
If by a little chance is a civ i request for the player to be banned for being so goddamn useless.

If everyone is who they claim they are, it’s Synonym. It’s definitely him.

But this is still possible, Hecatom.

Hecatom:

I like how Zoo thinks that everything solves by calling me dumb and saying that mobius is clean
This is a game of deception, you know that there are a lot of things that can happen right zoo?
It could be that Pie say that mobius is a mafia to divert our attention from other real mafia to pie saying that he is mafia in the hopes that we decide that he is lying while in reality he is mafia.
Also it could be that he is mafia and you too and you decide to come as the detective to generate confusion, after all, he takes 2 day phases to get killed and if you get enough people to believe your story that you are the UC then we waste our time killing you or synonym.

Hell it could even be that you and synonym are mafia playing mind games to let one of you get the trust of the remaining civs, it less likely since this will mean that we should have 3rd person RC the UC, but hey seeing how many Wallflowers we have left it is still a posibility :looney:

I’m keeping this “good cop, bad cop” in mind.

But for now, I’m taking OZ’s words for as is since it is the truth that I’m a civ.
Synonym being a mafia, however, is too glaringly obvious to me.

GodotsRevenge · October 11, 2013, 12:52am

Azure's Last Gasp:

Ah, me – where to begin, this Last Gasp.

Well, here goes.

My last night alive, I chose the following targets:

Augustus for my Kill

Cinnamon for my Snapshot

I chose these two, precisely because Synonym stated that he would go in on Mobius, and get a read.

Ergo, that freed me up to gun for another suspicious/bad player, in Augustus (don’t deny that last part if Civ, Auggy – you Role Claimed everything but the Kitchen sink and GodotsBear).

And Synonym was still a question mark, so who better to watch, and see if he actually did what he said he’d do? Who watches the Watchmen? This B Cup Ginger, that’s who.

But…

I died.

And now, we come to it.

My post-mortem analysis:

Mobius was ranting for forever and a day about how I was wrong, he was innocent, but he was already dead, woe is me, Moe is me, sob, sob, sob.

If Augustus didn’t gank me, HE did.

And vice versa.

The odds on the above are fairly high, imo.

Taking into account Missing Person’s Raging , Raving Rabid Hard-on for Mobius… well, I’m pretty sure who isn’t seeing daylight tomorrow, along with me.

Infrequent Lurker has piqued my peripheral warning sense, waaaay too much to write off, though. It is one of those things, about a horse, and all. Horse head. In bed, in the morning.

And then there is hoarse whisperer, AKA Forge Digger, AKA one silent motherfucker. Watch him too. Make him speak. Force what he says to make sense, or pull the trigger.

I hate saying this, I really, really fuckin’ do – but I think OZ and WAH-WAH “My Liiiikes” are clean, absentminded appearing and flatout incomprehensible are they are, respectively.

Everything really seems to revolve around Cinnamon, and his claim.

TL;DR

If Mobius is clean, then Cinnamon is dirty, then I say lynch OZ and WAH, because everything is on its head, and fuck them too.

Otherwise they seem to have the most potential to turn up as being good, barring those who are in the clear, or at least batting neutral, like Cynt.

For what it is worth though, Mobius sounds a lot like Chief .20

And Infrequent Lurker sounds like their boy (yes prison-speak type boy)

My trigger finger WAS for Mobuis, but Syn presented a better plan to get more reads… even on himself.

But of course I got got, instead.

The “Why?” of this bears pondering.

Good luck.

GodotsRevenge · October 11, 2013, 12:53am

I don’t think I’ll ever host another Godots Mafia game again. You have nothing to lose.

Mobius · October 11, 2013, 1:20am

Azure keeps mentioning this, and I don’t get it.

And about him getting off, it’s Synonym.
Remember, Synonym role-claimed Detective.
He anticipated that Azure will target him with paparazzi to see if he was keeping his word.
Synonym can’t let that happen because his ability can’t target, and because he’s not the Detective.
Synonym’s role claim as the Detective was Azure’s death flag since he needs to keep the integrity of his claim.
Synonym can only do that by removing the Photographer out of his way.
Think about it.

That said,
We need confirmation today and not wait it out for another day.
In this case, if we want confirmation here and now, we need to lynch someone who is the focal point of this phase, someone who’ll die with one lynch.

I have a person in mind.
I strongly believe that person is mafia.
Ah, let me correct that, I don’t believe it, I know it for a fact.
That very same person is pretending to be the detective as well.

Lynch Synonym

This will clear everything.
My innocence and his guilt.

However, on the possibility that OZ and Synonym are playing a good cop, bad cop routine.
I’m expecting another role claimant for the detective.
Mainly, from, forge or WAH, the two people that have yet to post.
It’s unlikely because they already claimed another role.

So until proven otherwise, I’m believing that OZ is the real detective.

Mobius · October 11, 2013, 1:24am

I have a question, am I given the choice to activate my bulletproof? Or is it mandatory?

GodotsRevenge · October 11, 2013, 1:27am

“Mandatory” sounds so bad, you know? I prefer to call it “Destiny”.

But yeah, you can’t activate it yourself, and you can’t deactivate it yourself.

Mobius · October 11, 2013, 1:29am

Making me follow canon, are we?
Well, it will foil Cinamon’s plan if I could.
Fair enough.

Augustus · October 11, 2013, 1:37am

Wow. Azure really was going to kill me. Thank you Mafia. I owe you one.

And I’m sorry, guys. I’m not a bad player. It’s just that it was only a matter of time before I cracked and started acting like a lunatic. I can’t help myself - it’s too tempting not to. I was doing so well too. ;(

Cyntalan · October 11, 2013, 1:41am

Sounds to me like you should have been me.

orochizoolander · October 11, 2013, 2:10am

If you guys don’t want to believe I’m Kigiri okay whatever that’s your choice, you guys begged me to investigate möbius last night and I did he’s clean, make of that what you will.

Would it be cheating to take a pic of GR sending me the Kigiri role PM and posting it somewhere else? :lol:

Cyntalan · October 11, 2013, 2:11am

yeah… sneak it into the lounge…

No, zoo, you get banned that way, I’m sure.

orochizoolander · October 11, 2013, 2:11am

night 1 I couldn’t investigate, personal shit, and night 2 I chose PW just to be sure, night 3 I sent in the PM for möbius 3 minutes too late, night 4 I looked at möbius.

yes I’ve been a shitty UC sorry guys, but if you believe me now lets try to salvage this thing.