The short version is because things still suck, and about half of the country didn’t vote for Obama the first time around. I like his chances as things are, but it’s certainly conceivable given two huge areas of vulnerability, politically- the economy and the wars in the Middle East.
(Yeah, things are actually more iffy than they seem if the economy stays shitty, especially since it technically is valid to blame Obama at least partially in this case.)
I like how we’ve managed to talk about both anal and penile penetration on the first page yet the most effeminate thing still manages to be TIS barging in here to talk about to talk about the new 90210…and getting a response almost instantly. Where is thurst to troll your manhood? (I think I’ll keep that phrased as it is, yes.)
Hey, don’t jinx it, asshole. People have already forgotten about the Osama thing–hell, the only reason it even came back up in the news recently is because of all those Navy SEALS getting blown the fuck up over the weekend unfortunately. Also, you’re expecting the America people to be intelligent about this, even if it leaves a bitter taste in their mouth, a mere two years after Republicans “voting with their conscience” manage to make things even worse by voting for stupid, no-nothing Tea Party fucks who manage to promise to “fix Washington and America”…by doing the exact things that will make it worse.
Yeah, we…need all the help we can get. And by “help”, I may or may not mean “political assassinations that actually kill the target”; I plead the 5th.
Becoming? Ha.
I’m pretty sure we passed into circus mode as soon as the “hanging chad” shadiness happened and Supreme Court butted in on the 2000 “election” and gave us Bush.
It’s hilarious that people manage to blame the Tea Party for everything, because they’re not a real political party. It’s just that Republicans can claim Tea Party credibility and get votes. And when the Republicans fuck something up, people can say it was because of Tea Party pressure. And when the Democrats fuck things up, they can claim that the Tea Party is ruining America.
People have done so much bitching about wanting a third party, and when there is a third party (even one that has no power), it just becomes the scapegoat that both the established right and left will use to distract from the fact that they are the ones who’ve actually been in charge and fucked things up for the last decade.
And the country’s credit has been downgraded because according to S&P there was 4 trillion dollars we needed to cut, because we’re going broke. The party closest to this ideologically, by far, would be the Tea Party. The Republicans and Democrats both would be a far, far distant second.
I find this all to be deeply absurd.
Completely unrelated: I haven't watched much anime over the last few years, but I've watched some shows over Netflix. That dub of Excel Saga is fucking...that chick's voice...it's like a dog whistle. I can actually barely even understand what she's saying.
I do like [Mushi-shi]('http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhBJ8ZgjJso') and [xxxHolic]('http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx28WrsqhII'), despite the fact that everyone looks like Jack Skellington in the latter. And I know there are some [Vandread]('http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpEHm5i3OW4&feature=player_detailpage#t=102s') fans here just because of the opening montage from the first episode, about women.America is run by the same people who made Steve Guttenberg a star.
There’s a peanut conspiracy, I tell you.
Smurfs actually succeeded at the box office. You tell me that doesn’t smell of underground influence.
I blame George Lopez…
The thing is, when Obama came in the dems had control of everything and did nothing with it.
Bush had control of everything and was like “Fuck you dems, I will do what I want” and destroyed our surplus. O-Bams was trying to unite the parties and be all partisan when he didn’t even need to.
Oh if only Obama wasn’t a huge pussy and could stand up and fight for himself like that crazy polio ridden cripple FDR.
Cmon yall,
Let that boy cook
Thanks for the new AV idea, Damned! :tup:
(Smurfs…succeeded? …What. WHAT?!
…I guess people still think Neil Patrick Harris is really fuckable. Really, really fuckable.)
Sigh. TS, you’re killing me here. This is why I hardly bother with political talk.
I’m hardly blaming everything on the Tea Party–I blame everything on all three parties. I just said The Tea Party, by and large, are idiots, which they are. Of course they’re not a “real” political party, at least if we’re talking about being a credible party that isn’t made up of batshit insane people and people who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about yet insistent on talking really loudly about it due to “patriotism” and “saving the country” and whatever other BS; honestly, that would be just as accurate a descriptor of much the current Republican party as well, unfortunately.
While this is true and unfortunate, you can’t exactly blame people for wanting a third party that isn’t insane. That’s like saying “as much as people have been bitching about new jobs, they have no reason to bitch that a lot of new jobs pay minimum-wage, have horrible hours and don’t last because they’re only temporary for whatever reason.”
Okay? And…?
Are we not allowed to look at how the Tea Party wanted to accomplish these goals to prevent the country from going broke or cutting that 4 trillion dollars? Are we supposed to be blind how incompetent their plan to cut everything without raising a goddamn dime was? Or how many in the Tea Party didn’t even want to raise the debt ceiling and pay our damn bills just because they didn’t “believe” the government was telling the truth that it needed to pay its bills?
I’ve never said that the current debt stupidity was anything but stupidity or that Republicans/The Tea Party are the only one to blame–I’m pretty sure I’ve ragged on Democrats a lot more recently, especially since the current debt “solution” that we got downgraded over isn’t even really a compromise what with no revenues or anything remotely Democrat outside of no cuts to entitlements, which do need reforms (or a lot more people to die). But saying that the Tea Party’s plan was better just because it put up a “plan” that actually talked about the issue at hand, never mind that plan wasn’t feasible or wasn’t remotely intelligent or wasn’t going to make anything better, is just as absurd you’re claiming things to be.
You’re basically you seem to be arguing “hey, the Tea Party is a third party that everyone wanted and just because they’re incompetent, haven’t actually bettered anything and helped make the problem worse doesn’t mean they should be called out”. That’s just…what.
I can understand finding admirable to “stick to your guns”…in some cases, but this just seems like the whole “Kerry is a flip-flopper” fiasco where people aren’t allowed to change their mind once they’re accurately informed just because they can’t admit they’re wrong. I want a third party. Probably more than most people.
I just don’t want a tinfoil-hat crowd that manages to take most of the worse elements of already corrupted party and make them worse to be that party.
All politics is deeply absurd. It’s never not been absurd. It’s just been a lot more egregious as of late.
Basically. If Obama hadn’t done the “nice” thing of reinstating the Bush tax cuts as a large part of the stimulus package, then the economy would have probably recovered a lot better than it has by now.
But, no, Mr. “Change” had to be gigantic idiot about it. Well, I’m glad I was one of the people who never liked that guy. Too bad I’ll probably vote him this time if I don’t want someone even more incompetent and likely to fuck up the country in the Oval Office.
People are under the assumption that Obama is the radical leftist that the Huffington Post (and other assorted homos) wants him to be, and that the far right was crying that he would be. He’s more moderate than that (one could argue that the healthcare plan is an exception), and so the same misconceptions people had about him before he won the election, people still have. With that said, I would bet he has fairly big plans for his second term. But if people are waiting for him to open abortion factories and institute White slavery and execute Dick Cheney as a war criminal, they will probably be disappointed.
lol@ smurfs hate…i hear its really funny.
Maxx… Have you ever thought of dressing up as Koko B. Ware for Halloween?
Look at Slashy being all political and stuff, how cute.
The point of it all is that nothing matters and whoever we wins, we lose. Business as usual until America falls like Rome did due to political instability, economic collapse and social fragmentation.
"Some Men Just Want to Watch the World Burn…"
A large part of the problem is the republican party is beholden to the tea party at this point. I don’t think that people are blaming the tea party because they want somebody to blame. They’re blaming the tea party because that’s mostly true. The tea party brings out voters. Those voters put these republicans in office that are doing everything but calling the president a nigger, and are refusing to negotiate on ANYTHING. Tea party backed republicans are so scared of losing their jobs that they’ll pretty much say or do anything to keep this whack jobs happy.
Also, there are morons who are backed by the Tea Party, like Michelle Backman, who think we should have hit the debt ceiling and then told everybody else to go fuck themselves. Just to see what would happen.
(No. Stop replying. I need to go for a walk…)
Yeah, it will be business as usual when it comes to be a lose-lose situation unless Obama’s second turn (if he gets one) manages to basically be the best presidency ever. America will probably still decline in power as a superpower, but he might be able to keep it from collapsing.
Otherwise…I guess I’ll just try find out more about Australia or Canada or something.
I should find the phrasing of this offensive just on principal, but, eh, it’s kinda of true.
Not that you can blame them, though, since he was basically ran on being “The Change Washington needed” or whatever bullshit…and then either recanted on almost everything he said or, at least, didn’t enact as it instantly as idiotic people would have wanted/thought. Again, though, I can’t blame “The Gays” here because most of what’s aimed at them is utterly discriminatory shit (backed by other minorities, including blacks, lol) that shouldn’t exist anyway, but it’s not exactly like they can go to the Republicans as they are, Log Cabin Republican idiots aside.
I think Obama would probably have been received a lot better, need to be everyone’s BFF aside, if people had realized he was just another politican–this includes outright lying to people–rather than Black Jesus, Limited Half-White Edition a lot earlier.
smh…
I welcome more americanized black people to Edmonton.
Who are you talking about? This is a lot of “the Tea Party is full of retards and they want to ruin the country,” like I was talking about.
I’ll bring up again that the Tea Party isn’t a real political party. As such, the only thing they really have in common is that they are big on fiscal conservatism, at least in theory. So to call the Tea Party idiots would be like calling someone an idiot because they are vaguely liberal or non-interventionist. The group has certainly been branded as being a group of crazy people, which is what I was getting in in the post you’re quoting. Blaming the Tea Party for anything at this point is like blaming the new guy who works in the office mail room for the company going out of business. But I would assume you agree that the idea of fiscal conservatism isn’t insane on its face, especially when you’re out of money, and so you would also agree that the more sane members of the party have a point worth talking about.
tl;dr- no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater, even if you think most of the tub is water.
And the closest thing to leadership that the Tea Party has as a group might be Mark Meckler, who can be [’]seen here]('http://Also, there are morons who are backed by the Tea Party, like Michelle Backman, who think we should have hit the debt ceiling and then told everybody else to go fuck themselves. Just to see what would happen.
[/quote) defending his opinion that the debt ceiling shouldn’t have been raised. His point overall was that raising the debt ceiling only delayed the problem further, instead of forcing immediate cuts to government agencies and programs. Despite the fact hat I’m sure he was playing politics (he knew as well as anyone that the debt ceiling limit would be raised), I don’t find his opinion to be particularly offensive.
With regards to the bolding: yes, that thing where you actually address what’s going on is pretty fucking important. If you have two roommates and they’re arguing about whether they should try to save $20 or $40 on your electric bill, if you point out that you’re all going to have trouble even making rent next month, that doesn’t make you an asshole.
The Tea Party exists at all in large part because the Right and Left don’t acknowledge certain things, and if it takes a populist movement to bring their attention to it, then that’s fine by me. So long as the people actually making decisions are sane, it should have a mostly-positive effect on the system.
The Tea Party isn’t the third party most people wanted, but it’s the closest thing [to a third party which actually exists], and people immediately shit on it (which I suppose gives it legitimacy, in an odd way). Just pointing out an irony. Not a real irony, but an Alanis Morisette irony.
When you start a new political movement, I look forward to hearing people shit all over it because crazy people show up to your rallies.
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For the record, I meant “other assorted homos” in the general pejorative sense, ie “stop being homos and help me move this couch,” or “The Huffington Post is full of whiny homos.” I mean no offense to actual homosexuals, unless you’re being a homo about it.
But at what point does “Tea Party” begin to lose meaning? Haven’t Republicans been pandering to a conservative base for the last 30+ years? “Tea Party” is a commodity and slogan on one hand, and on the other hand it’s a way to dismiss someone’s views offhand, because you can just imply that someone is an irrational racist by calling them that.
It isn’t just scapegoating because the Republicans can try to force their agenda (Boehner’s Planned Parenthood debacle) and then claim that they were doing it for their Tea Party supporters, but it’s scapegoating because it allows people on the other end, or even other conservatives or Republicans to engage in political elitism. And when this happens, what is supposed to be the ideal of the Tea Party movement (keeping government in line so they don’t get out of control and/or spend all of our fucking money like assholes) gets tossed away with it. And this is not something being said by either party, because both sides are interested in spending all of our money, like assholes- just on different things.