(Ugh. I’m still not used to being unable to invisible, especially since the mod thing was “broken” while Evo was ongoing and was still so until quite recently.)
I really don’t know what’s odder about the last four pages: pretty much everyone agreeing that they agree they like Natalie Imbragulia, especially in a relatively chaste way, or people actually obsessing over zettai ryouiki.
remembers where he is
Oh, wait. It’s definitely the former. Never mind.
There are at least three things wrong with your assessment:
Not all homosexuality is pederasty. Quite the contrary. This means that pederasty, whether it was practiced in Sparta or not since we have more information about Athens than anywhere else, literally has nothing to do with Rob Liefield was complaining about.
Similarly, given how homosocial Spartan training seemed to be from what we know, even with the relative freedom of Sparta women, this does nothing to say that other forms of homosexuality didn’t occur in Sparta even if pederasty didn’t.
I’m pretty sure at least the ancient Israelites were against homosexuality since they needed more people, so it’s not like Sparta was the lone heterosexual light in an otherwise homosexual world. It wouldn’t really surprise me if most, if not all, nomadic tribes at least had some type of provisions again homosexual acts (among men).
Regardless, my point was that Liefield’s comment was “funny” and incorrect given that a) he could have just said that he never intended Shatterstar to be interested in men or even in sex rather than compensate with “he’s supposed to be Spartan” like we know all that much about them in actuality and b) he seems to blame Peter David for turning Shatterstar “gay” when Shatterstar & Rictor were obviously interested in each other WAY before Peter David ever touched them.
You know, as much as I hate Wolverine (as a character) nowadays, I actually don’t really…mind this “twist”. And it’s not just because I hate Wolverine or can’t take the big two seriously anymore or don’t know that Loeb is basically a trash writer or don’t think that stupid looking “Wolverine Sr.” character couldn’t be lying.
I also don’t mind it just because of the utter overreactions.
Good ol’ Mother Jones.
Outside of the fact that quite a few women do lie on pregnancy and rape related matters, way too many in fact since most of them don’t get punished for lying, I agree with this chart and general sentiment.
Continuity can indeed be stifling, especially in an infinite superhero series, but continuity has its uses. It’s most basic use is merely to help you develop a relation, for better or for worse, with any character due to demanding, implicitly, consistent characterization. This even if the character’s “character” is to be “crazy” or “random” like say, Deadpool. In this way, it makes characters not just interchangeable and bland from panel to panel or even story to story.
Considering that continuity also is what makes characters unable to just become Deus Ex Machina whenever they want, in most cases it also helps the story itself have conflict.
So while overarching continuity can be a bitch, especially if people aren’t doing to do their research, continuity itself does have its uses.
This is quite debatable. It’s not that you can’t take superheroes “seriously”, really; it’s that difficult to take a lot of their brightly colored costumes seriously and, in the case of infinite “crises” like pretty much everything the Big Two currently put out, the unending soap opera “drama” that cheapens everything up to and including death. Taking superheroes “seriously” isn’t necessarily stifling them with realism (read: realistic physics and realistic biology and such).
Similarly, something can be “silly” without necessarily being stupid, which is a lot of the issue that people take with Jeph Loeb’s “work”, especially since he tends to be self-important with “awesome” characters with little thought put into them. This despite the fact that all of the works he fucks up, baring Heroes, are universes shared with other people.
If he was just churning out self-contained “What Ifs”, like “WHAT IF THE HULK WAS RED AND COULD BEAT UP THE WATCHER?!”, then people might still roll their eyes, but they wouldn’t be nearly as annoyed.
There is a tendency–probably a mania by now–to make these characters more “grounded”/“relevant”/“I’m Dan DiDio and I don’t know what words mean”/etc.
No matter how much you change, tweak, retcon, reimagine, or otherwise fuck with this stuff, there is one thing you have to remember. The superhero genre, at its core, starts with boys’ adventure stories.
Look at the cover of Action Comics #1, officially the very first image of the whole superhero genre. Big dude in a colorful costume hoists a car with his bare hands and smashes it to smithereens, scaring the shit out of a gang of crooks. There’s your thesis statement. That’s the one thing that every thing afterward has to have some kind of connection to.
Think about the content of that image. Bad guys (that is, guys who make the world a shitty place for good people to live in) get their shit pushed in by a good guy who proves to be tougher than they are. The adolescent fantasy here is pretty clear: being a surrogate source of power for people who have none of their own, usually by way of spectacular feats of strength and cunning.
Sometimes, the people in charge of this genre lose sight of that. The resulting stories are usually bad. Not necessarily, but usually.
It’s as though the power fantasy is somehow bad, that our appreciation of it ought to be undercut or subverted or otherwise negated. It’s viewed as something that the superhero genre has to get past in order to be respectable, when, if anything, the superhero genre started out as a celebration of it.
Specifically from 03:40 on… But yeah. This shit right here. Fucking goosebumps from that music + mode 7. It does not get better than this.
Cloud jumping off the train in Midgar is a close second. :tup:
Yeah, I get goosebumps whenever I go back and and play that game again. As soon as you enter that first city, you just recall all the awesomeness that is coming up, and know you’re in for a good time.
And Hulk’s daughter wasn’t from sex. He did however smash his son into his wife before KABOOOOOM. Which boggles the mind, because I am fairly certain Caiera is the size of Hulks dick.
Soledad O’Brien is looking so adorable this morning with the purple top… goddamn that woman looks great in anything. She could have on a Cross Colors set from the early 90s and still look hot to me.
If they put “Words with Friends” on a console (perhaps a Live Arcade/PSN downloadable?), I’d actually buy that…sheeeit, I dropped a 70+point word all up in someone’s face the other day.
And that your comment which implied that Spartans engaged in homosexual debauchery was wrong.
Spartan society disdained the lax discipline of other cultures.
We are talking about the culture that spoke with pride about the young soldier who, when his peers put a ferret in his shirt as a prank, during rank and file at attention, did not so much as blink, let alone cry out or panic. Even as it burrowed its way into his gut, ripping his innards out and killing him.
This is the culture of which you misspoke.
Pederasty was accepted throughout most of the ancient world.
Isreal being theoretically another exception is irrelevant.
Your implication that Spartans were just as down and dirty as the rest of the ancient world was flat out historically incorrect.
Pederasty was the simplest example to illustrate this.
Just because you happen to be ignorant of Spartan culture, does not mean that Liefield ought infer that the rest of us are.
His statement strongly implies that he thinks otherwise.
Given that the foundation of U.S. governance is primarily based on Sparta, his assumption should not be that far off base.